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The Flakk missile rumours worry me a little. As it stands they are simply a waste of points.

Palindrome wrote:
The Flakk missile rumours worry me a little. As it stands they are simply a waste of points.

I dont know, 1 unit of devs with flaks and a Aegis defence line will usually deal with any flyers that come your way.

+5 points for a weak krak missile which replaces both the frag and krak options? Thats just not worth it.

Palindrome wrote:
+5 points for a weak krak missile which replaces both the frag and krak options? Thats just not worth it.

But your paying for specialisation, so its swings and roundabouts, now I personally dont believe this rumour as an extra 5pts on top of a missile launcher is stupid, now if its a flak missile launcher for 5pts, then it would make sense

 Formosa wrote:


But your paying for specialisation, so its swings and roundabouts, now I personally dont believe this rumour as an extra 5pts on top of a missile launcher is stupid, now if its a flak missile launcher for 5pts, then it would make sense

Actually you are paying twice. Firstly with an increased points cost and secondly with the removal of the missile launchers utility (arguably its best feature). One of these would be fine but both is a step too far.

No info on Ravenwing bikes? Be good to know if they're troops or not. I have a LOT of bikes and speeders already, and don't really fancy a new iteration of DA that doesn't let me use plenty of both...

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
No info on Ravenwing bikes? Be good to know if they're troops or not. I have a LOT of bikes and speeders already, and don't really fancy a new iteration of DA that doesn't let me use plenty of both...

Considering it's an intrinsic character to the army, I don't see it changing.

Palindrome wrote:
+5 points for a weak krak missile which replaces both the frag and krak options? Thats just not worth it.

Out of curiosity, have you ever played against a Flyer?

Palindrome wrote:

 Formosa wrote:


But your paying for specialisation, so its swings and roundabouts, now I personally dont believe this rumour as an extra 5pts on top of a missile launcher is stupid, now if its a flak missile launcher for 5pts, then it would make sense

Actually you are paying twice. Firstly with an increased points cost and secondly with the removal of the missile launchers utility (arguably its best feature). One of these would be fine but both is a step too far.

Well done, you get points for stating what I had already stated.... dont put "actually" if you have not "actually" read my post, I already said "I personally dont believe this rumour as an extra 5pts on top of a missile launcher is stupid", then went on to say "now if its a flak missile launcher for 5pts, then it would make sense" and to clarify that, it would be a missile laucher that only fires flakks for 5pts alone, not +5pts on top of a standard one.

I'm loving the rumours about a new speeder/flyer variant. With the weapon loadout description, I think I can finally use my Storm Talon conversion:



I was finding it hard to fit it into my DW when you need to add the minimum requirements of SM allies.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Out of curiosity, have you ever played against a Flyer?

Yes I have and I still wont be taking any flakk missiles if these are their real rules.


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 Formosa wrote:

Well done, you get points for stating what I had already stated.... dont put "actually" if you have not "actually" read my post, I already said "I personally dont believe this rumour as an extra 5pts on top of a missile launcher is stupid", then went on to say "now if its a flak missile launcher for 5pts, then it would make sense" and to clarify that, it would be a missile laucher that only fires flakks for 5pts alone, not +5pts on top of a standard one.

It would have been helpful if you had worded your post better.

I really doubt that the flakk missile will be a replacement for frag and krak.

Reading the missile launcher description on page 57 of the big book...

"All missile launchers come with frag and krak missiles as standard, and some have the option to upgrade to include flakk missiles. Each time a missile fires, the controlling player must choose which type of missile is being used."

They had a pretty clear vision on what the missile launcher was going to be when they wrote the rulebook. I'd be pretty surprised if they were already worried about too much anti-flyer.

Keep in mind that the flakk missile is only strength 7. As long as you are paying for it, I don't see what is so powerful. Devs get about 3 hits factoring in the dev sergeant trick, so you'd need two devs squads to down a flyer. That is what, 300 points?

In regards to the whirlwind, forgeworlds version is a single strength 8 ap3 twin-linked shot, and I do agree that it isn't particularly frightening. But it does have interceptor, which is awesome. And that means you can fire it at ground targets as well. It could be a consolation prize for taking a whirlwind in your take all comers list and then bellying up against necrons with flyerspam, or mechanized guard.

Also, one of the two rumors had it at heavy 2. I think strength 8 heavy 2 interceptor would be more than ok for a vehicle that gets to choose right before deployment what missiles it has. If it loses the twin-linked, you could prescience it.

With whirlwind hyperios, flakk missiles, and these new tempests, dark angels look to be able to field a really flexible reactive army, the kind i like. I'm thrilled about these rumors.

And we've still got two brand new units to be revealed.

Dose anyone think that DA are going to be the test codex for a new style of marines like they were before? I would love my BA with a standard giving a USR.

I hope so. I like the look of bannars on the field. I've seen a lot of pictures of the old school editions and i miss that they dont use bannars as much.

I've been out of 40K for a long time, too long it seems, have the rules of a founding chapter, what distinguishes it from your basic run of the mill Ultramarine always been able to fit 1 page of rules + special characters?

And in a related note, why the heck do so many chapters even have full blown codexes if they are all going to end up with a couple of "special" units, a couple of USRs and 90% copy pasted army entries? :S

My hope for Flakk Missiles is that either they will be free and replace the Frag/Krak options, or be in addition to them if you have to pay.

Wutwut wrote:
I've been out of 40K for a long time, too long it seems, have the rules of a founding chapter, what distinguishes it from your basic run of the mill Ultramarine always been able to fit 1 page of rules + special characters?

And in a related note, why the heck do so many chapters even have full blown codexes if they are all going to end up with a couple of "special" units, a couple of USRs and 90% copy pasted army entries? :S

This has been the complaint for a long time now. Fortunately, enough has changed for SW, BA, and GK in their book to truly warrant their own books when they were redone in 5th edition. We're all sitting here at the edge of our seats praying the same is true for Dark Angels when they're redone too. From the rumors we've seen so far, that doesn't appear to be the case though. We'll have to wait and see though.

 Shep wrote:
I really doubt that the flakk missile will be a replacement for frag and krak.

Reading the missile launcher description on page 57 of the big book...

"All missile launchers come with frag and krak missiles as standard, and some have the option to upgrade to include flakk missiles. Each time a missile fires, the controlling player must choose which type of missile is being used."

They had a pretty clear vision on what the missile launcher was going to be when they wrote the rulebook. I'd be pretty surprised if they were already worried about too much anti-flyer.

Keep in mind that the flakk missile is only strength 7. As long as you are paying for it, I don't see what is so powerful. Devs get about 3 hits factoring in the dev sergeant trick, so you'd need two devs squads to down a flyer. That is what, 300 points?

In regards to the whirlwind, forgeworlds version is a single strength 8 ap3 twin-linked shot, and I do agree that it isn't particularly frightening. But it does have interceptor, which is awesome. And that means you can fire it at ground targets as well. It could be a consolation prize for taking a whirlwind in your take all comers list and then bellying up against necrons with flyerspam, or mechanized guard.

Also, one of the two rumors had it at heavy 2. I think strength 8 heavy 2 interceptor would be more than ok for a vehicle that gets to choose right before deployment what missiles it has. If it loses the twin-linked, you could prescience it.

With whirlwind hyperios, flakk missiles, and these new tempests, dark angels look to be able to field a really flexible reactive army, the kind i like. I'm thrilled about these rumors.

And we've still got two brand new units to be revealed.

Summed up my feeling very well!

I'm just a little jaded though, DA have felt so dull and lifeless for so long I can't see them really becoming that interesting, beyond your ability to make stronger versions of certain typical marine archetypes using their rules. I'm hoping it gives them a little windfall of new fluff to add a little character.

To be fair...they've never been much more than a slightly codex-divergent chapter which deploys two of their otherwise standard-org companies in a non-codex manner and some dark fluff secret, going all the way back to 2nd edition.

Most of this stuff (Hyperios, Tempest, etc) is already available to all marine armies via Forgeworld and likely will appear in any future C:SM as well, they aren't DA unique units.

 Vaktathi wrote:
To be fair...they've never been much more than a slightly codex-divergent chapter which deploys two of their otherwise standard-org companies in a non-codex manner and some dark fluff secret, going all the way back to 2nd edition.

Most of this stuff (Hyperios, Tempest, etc) is already available to all marine armies via Forgeworld and likely will appear in any future C:SM as well, they aren't DA unique units.

Fortunately, the same can be said about what Blood Angels and Space Wolves offered before their most recent revisions too though. If we go back to 3rd (and 4th in the case of DA) the only Marine books would be Generic Marines and a seperate Inquisitorial Factions book with GK. But this type of conversation always has the side effect of derailing threads and causing them to be locked.

Lets just say that Dark Angels deserve a rules update as much as SW, BA, and GK did, and that hopefully when all is said and done, their new codex will offer enough variety outside of the standard book to warrant them still being around, just like the SW, BA, and GK did.

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Spikey Bits post from Facebook:

Well I guess Dark Angels are coming in October...?

O.O



HELLS YES

Workblocked... what's coming :(

The same picture that has been posted every day for at least a a week now.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The same picture that has been posted every day for at least a a week now.

Oh lol.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The same picture that has been posted every day for at least a a week now.

But not in the one thread actually about the Dark Angels. I checked every post here before posting it. So your post contributed what to the discussion? Thanks for reminding me why I post so little on this forum.

General consensus is that it's for the continuation of their coverage of the box set, not a DA codex proper.

Wait... there is a consensus among gamers? Get out of here!

/sarcasm

 Brother SRM wrote:
General consensus is that it's for the continuation of their coverage of the box set, not a DA codex proper.

We can dream man... we can dream.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

Spikey Bits post from Facebook:

Well I guess Dark Angels are coming in October...?

Yeah, right after the White Scars Codex announced the same way a few months ago