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 Jihadin wrote:
Yep its a AR. I just know it by the M4 since its what I'm really use to. Mines not tricked all out. Its tricked out enough to what I'm use to. Its has two modes. Safe and semi. I've never used "burst" with my assigned weapon when in the "box"

Hmm.

 Jihadin wrote:
Yep its a AR. I just know it by the M4 since its what I'm really use to. Mines not tricked all out. Its tricked out enough to what I'm use to. Its has two modes. Safe and semi. I've never used "burst" with my assigned weapon when in the "box"

It's a useless function that serves only to make the trigger unpredicatable. The M4A1 is vastly superior not because it fires in full auto, but because the full auto sear is symmetrical and makes the trigger consistent. Plus in a pinch you can really give someone a bad day.

I'm confused.

Guns are legal.
Alcohol is legal

Killing people is not, whether it is with a gun, or with a car while drunk.

Now, if the general logic is guns kill people, can't we apply that to cars and alcohol as well? And knives, and poison, and ropes, and water, and the million other items used in murder...

People kill people. Weapons simply make it easier. Certain types of guns/rifles that are available should be made illegal, but not everything. Semiautomatics have no business being legal. Muzzle loaders, revolvers, bolt action rifles, over under shotguns, and similar slow rate of fire weapons are not exceptionally dangerous weapons. Especially considering that you can create all sorts of fun IEDs from household items and do a lot more damage than you ever could with any legal gun.

Semiautomatics have no business being legal.

While I hate to pull a Frazzled, you're gonna have pry my Colt 1991 from my cold dead hands

 Amaya wrote:

Semiautomatics have no business being legal.

It's pretty tough to concealed carry a blunderbuss.

Muzzle loaders, revolvers, bolt action rifles, over under shotguns, and similar slow rate of fire weapons are not exceptionally dangerous weapons.

Those are all "exceptionally dangerous weapons." There isn't an appreciable rate of fire loss in a DA revolver versus a semiauto pistol; the perceived loss in speed comes in reloading, and even that can be mitigated.

Amaya wrote:Semiautomatics have no business being legal.

Pfftthahahaha. Okay, sure. I suppose everyone should CC a wheel-gun then? The idiocy in this statement is unbelievable.

Clearly he meant airsoft semiautomtics should be illegal. Jeez guys.

Captain Fantastic wrote:

Amaya wrote:Semiautomatics have no business being legal.

Pfftthahahaha. Okay, sure. I suppose everyone should CC a wheel-gun then? The idiocy in this statement is unbelievable.

Semis aren't all that common in hunting and presumably he thinks that the self defense argument of firearms is silly (which in the majority of cases it is).

 Amaya wrote:

People kill people. Weapons simply make it easier.

Well, yes mate, but that IS a problem isn't it?

We have all been in a fist fight, have you noticed how most people get really jumpy, their adrenalin gets up, they start getting really twitchy and super angry, and at that moment in time, Im pretty sure they would happily kill you if they had a gun. How many times have you been in a bar room brawl, and at the time and during the immediate aftermath everyone wants to kill every fether, but the next morning people are way calmer and not as interested?

Its the main reason I'm against every Tom Dick and Harry having a gun!

I think that left to their own devices people are more friendly and affable than most people believe. Its only on the spur of the moment, at the hight of anger, people make decisions they regret, and that's why 99% of spur of the moment killings occur, then the remorse comes in, and half the time people blow their own fething brains out.

Joe Public doesn't react well to violence, they shouldn't be carrying guns because they will do things they will regret an hour down the line. Killing people is very very easy with a gun, your just point and click, and for that reason I don't think that civilians should be able to own the fething things.

Much as I like guns.

your just point and click

you owe me some pushups for that comment Matty

aim and apply a 9lbs trigger squeeze.....wait we're talking amateurs here. Your good Matty Majority of them is point with the pistol sideways and just jerked the triggers as many times as they can

 Jihadin wrote:
Majority of them is point with the pistol sideways and just jerked the triggers as many times as they can

like the NYPD...

 ShumaGorath wrote:

Captain Fantastic wrote:

Amaya wrote:Semiautomatics have no business being legal.

Pfftthahahaha. Okay, sure. I suppose everyone should CC a wheel-gun then? The idiocy in this statement is unbelievable.

Semis aren't all that common in hunting and presumably he thinks that the self defense argument of firearms is silly (which in the majority of cases it is).

Exactly. What are you hunting that requires a bloody semiautomatic assault rifle?

In addition to that, it needs to be exceptionally more difficult to purchase firearms. I think having a government/military security clearance and/or having a clean record should be sufficient. Having a HS diploma should also be a requirement if it isn't already.

Access to medical records (mental) portion. HIPA though blocks that.

What are you hunting that requires a bloody semiautomatic assault rifle

I don't hunt but I own an assualt weapon. Am I wrong for owning an assualt weapon?

 Amaya wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

Captain Fantastic wrote:

Amaya wrote:Semiautomatics have no business being legal.

Pfftthahahaha. Okay, sure. I suppose everyone should CC a wheel-gun then? The idiocy in this statement is unbelievable.

Semis aren't all that common in hunting and presumably he thinks that the self defense argument of firearms is silly (which in the majority of cases it is).

Exactly. What are you hunting that requires a bloody semiautomatic assault rifle?

In addition to that, it needs to be exceptionally more difficult to purchase firearms. I think having a government/military security clearance and/or having a clean record should be sufficient. Having a HS diploma should also be a requirement if it isn't already.

I have to ask, with the statistics that prove alcohol is responsible for more than twice as many deaths yearly than guns, why are you not also denouncing that?

 Jihadin wrote:
Access to medical records (mental) portion. HIPA though blocks that.

What are you hunting that requires a bloody semiautomatic assault rifle

I don't hunt but I own an assualt weapon. Am I wrong for owning an assualt weapon?

Why do you own an assault weapon then?

And Relapse, imo, drunk drivers should receive much greater punishments. If you kill someone while driving drunk you should never be allowed to drive again or purchas alcohol in addition to jail time. I would not have a problem with drunk drivers who cause fatalities being executed.

Why do you own an assault weapon then

Its a fun weapon to fire on the range. I'm one of the ones that enjoy target practice. Also it was the first fire arm I was introduce to when I join up. So I own a "M4" that I'm quite fimiliar with, know how to maintain it, and know what I'm capable of with it. Also gives my wife a peace of mind incase someone goes after her (immigration officer). SO on a side bar plus its added "security" I won't go into details on what my wife does for DHS.

 Amaya wrote:


Exactly. What are you hunting that requires a bloody semiautomatic assault rifle?

The Most Dangerous Game.

The Most Dangerous Game

They get creative to in hunting us back................

 Jihadin wrote:

Why do you own an assault weapon then

Its a fun weapon to fire on the range. I'm one of the ones that enjoy target practice. Also it was the first fire arm I was introduce to when I join up. So I own a "M4" that I'm quite fimiliar with, know how to maintain it, and know what I'm capable of with it. Also gives my wife a peace of mind incase someone goes after her (immigration officer). SO on a side bar plus its added "security" I won't go into details on what my wife does for DHS.

I won't deny that pretty much all of the M16 family and variants are fething awesome and if I had one I would certainly want to fire it weekly, but sadly I think the firearms issue one where it might be better to restrict what is legal simply because a handful of idiots have access to overly potent weapons systems that have no use for hunting.

The problem with my argument is that you could extend such restrictions to that compound bows are sufficient for hunting and all guns should be illegal. It's a nasty issue.

 Jihadin wrote:

your just point and click

you owe me some pushups for that comment Matty

aim and apply a 9lbs trigger squeeze.....wait we're talking amateurs here. Your good Matty Majority of them is point with the pistol sideways and just jerked the triggers as many times as they can

Yeah sorry mate, I'm toning it down for civvies.

I meant..

The position and hold must be firm enough to support the weapon.
The weapon must be held upright and pointed naturally at the target without undue physical effort.
Sight alignment must be correct.
The shot must be released and followed through without any undue disturbance to the position.

And remember, dont snap that trigger!

Its not "good" making it dead easy to kill people though is it?

The fact is, 99 out of 100 of the shootings in the US would be avoided if people had a nights sleep on it first. The temper frays and people spray because they can, but its a fething tragedy really, over here they would just punch the fethers.. if people are carrying, then fethers get slotted when in the cold light of day, the shooter probably very much regrets their actions.

This is why we advocate....

Sign me up for the shirt

 Amaya wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Access to medical records (mental) portion. HIPA though blocks that.

What are you hunting that requires a bloody semiautomatic assault rifle

I don't hunt but I own an assualt weapon. Am I wrong for owning an assualt weapon?

Why do you own an assault weapon then?

And Relapse, imo, drunk drivers should receive much greater punishments. If you kill someone while driving drunk you should never be allowed to drive again or purchas alcohol in addition to jail time. I would not have a problem with drunk drivers who cause fatalities being executed.

I see we are in agreement on this, but I need to ask a further question. Knowing as you do thegreater numbers of people killed from alcohol related causes, aside from drunk driving, to the number of people killed by guns, have you ever felt compelled to speak out against alcohol
to the degree you do against guns and if not, why?
I'm putting you in an unfair position as mouthpiece for others with your same beliefs because you can articulate your thoughts well and seem passionate on the subject. I'm not trying to pick on you or harass you, but I'm genuinely curious.

I don't speak out against either. I am just voicing my opinion in an largely irrelevant thread that will have a meaningless impact on American policy.

So do the anti-gun folks think that there is any feasible way to remove every gun from circulation? Both legal and illegal?

The reason gun control laws work well in other countries is that they always had them. A small country always having tough gun laws is a little different than a giant country undoing hundred of years of "everybody gets a gun".

 Amaya wrote:
I don't speak out against either. I am just voicing my opinion in an largely irrelevant thread that will have a meaningless impact on American policy.

But you've spoken out against guns or at the very least advocated strict control along with bans of certain types of guns on this and several other threads.

Relapse wrote:

 Amaya wrote:
I don't speak out against either. I am just voicing my opinion in an largely irrelevant thread that will have a meaningless impact on American policy.

But you've spoken out against guns or at the very least advocated strict control along with bans of certain types of guns on this and several other threads.

And if people made threads about drunk drivers I would advocate executing anyone who causes fatalities and having their personal assets paid in full to the family(s) of the victim(s).

 Amaya wrote:


Exactly. What are you hunting that requires a bloody semiautomatic assault rifle?

Semiautomatic shotguns are reasonably popular around here for deer, and things like AR-15s make great varmint guns (things like groundhogs and coyotes, etc.). You could also use them for wild boar.

How many shells in the shotguns are you talking about? Is there any deer left to eat?

 Amaya wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Amaya wrote:
I don't speak out against either. I am just voicing my opinion in an largely irrelevant thread that will have a meaningless impact on American policy.

But you've spoken out against guns or at the very least advocated strict control along with bans of certain types of guns on this and several other threads.

And if people made threads about drunk drivers I would advocate executing anyone who causes fatalities and having their personal assets paid in full to the family(s) of the victim(s).

Thank you for that I was just curious about mind sets and you went a long way to explaining things for me.

 d-usa wrote:
So do the anti-gun folks think that there is any feasible way to remove every gun from circulation? Both legal and illegal?

The reason gun control laws work well in other countries is that they always had them. A small country always having tough gun laws is a little different than a giant country undoing hundred of years of "everybody gets a gun".

Oh yeah, I'm against civvies having guns, but I don't think there is any possible way to sort the issue out in the US now. Guns aren't like vegetables, they have a long shelf life!

You guys are fethed now. I think the best solution is everyone have one and be trained how to use it properly.. at least that stops people being really stupid, and alos makes the idiots think twice if they know loads of people are packing and they are trained properly in their use, but that's nowhere near as good as people hardly having any at all like in Europe.

Now you guys just have to make the best of a bad situation, because 300 years of toting guns has obviously made it utterly impossible to remove them.