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I really hope this question hasnt already been answered before, but here goes. How many rule book powers does mephiston generate if he trades his C:BA powers for them? I can't determine if it should be two or three. One guy at my flgs told me he could take four, but I'm pretty sure that's not right. Thanks for the help dakka

Two.

He is mastery lvl 3. So three powers.
He has 3 powers and mastery lvl 3 so according to the generic psychic powers section he can have 3.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
He is mastery lvl 3. So three powers.
He has 3 powers and mastery lvl 3 so according to the generic psychic powers section he can have 3.

Except for this:

A Blood Angels Librarian (including Mephiston) may use the
psychic disciplines found in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook,
instead of those in Codex: Blood Angels. If he does so, generate
two new powers from the Biomancy, Divination, Telepathy or
Telekinesis disciplines (in any combination) before armies are
deployed.

The FAQ then has an entry for Mephiston alone, in which they only state Mastery level and not power options.

However, in the FAQ you quoted there is a period separating the sentance that mentions Mephiston and the one stating that librarians can take only two powers. So there is the problem. Is Mephiston mentioned in the first sentance only to make it known that he can indeed switch out his powers? Does the next sentence apply to him at all?


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Also, Mephiston has three blood angel powers before switching to rule book powers. Why would he loose a power by switching?







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 Phiasco II wrote:
Also, Mephiston has three blood angel powers before switching to rule book powers. Why would he loose a power by switching?

For the same reason Eldrad loses 1, and Tigerus loses 6.

 Phiasco II wrote:
However, in the FAQ you quoted there is a period separating the sentance that mentions Mephiston and the one stating that librarians can take only two powers. So there is the problem. Is Mephiston mentioned in the first sentance only to make it known that he can indeed switch out his powers? Does the next sentence apply to him at all?


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Also, Mephiston has three blood angel powers before switching to rule book powers. Why would he loose a power by switching?







Edited for spelling.

Because the rules tell you he loses a power.

The FAQ states that he generates two powers. So, until it is changed via another FAQ, he generates two powers.

Ahriman also loses a few.

 Phiasco II wrote:
However, in the FAQ you quoted there is a period separating the sentance that mentions Mephiston and the one stating that librarians can take only two powers. So there is the problem. Is Mephiston mentioned in the first sentance only to make it known that he can indeed switch out his powers? Does the next sentence apply to him at all?

Really? So, you don't believe that two sentences in the same paragraph determine a context that requires them to be dependent of each other?

The second sentence starts with "If he does so..."

Who is "he"? The subject of the first sentence, which is a Blood Angels Librarian (including Mephiston).

somerandomdude wrote:

 Phiasco II wrote:
However, in the FAQ you quoted there is a period separating the sentance that mentions Mephiston and the one stating that librarians can take only two powers. So there is the problem. Is Mephiston mentioned in the first sentance only to make it known that he can indeed switch out his powers? Does the next sentence apply to him at all?

Really? So, you don't believe that two sentences in the same paragraph determine a context that requires them to be dependent of each other?

The second sentence starts with "If he does so..."

Who is "he"? The subject of the first sentence, which is a Blood Angels Librarian (including Mephiston).

Two powers, don't argue punctuation, or poor language. It's always been a GW failing point. However with this edition it seems at least they are trying hard to fix stuff.

Thanks for the answers guys. Strong arguments make for a better answer.

Phiasco II wrote:However, in the FAQ you quoted there is a period separating the sentance that mentions Mephiston and the one stating that librarians can take only two powers. So there is the problem. Is Mephiston mentioned in the first sentance only to make it known that he can indeed switch out his powers? Does the next sentence apply to him at all?

Here is the FAQ:

A Blood Angels Librarian (including Mephiston) may use the
psychic disciplines found in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook,
instead of those in Codex: Blood Angels. If he does so, generate
two new powers from the Biomancy, Divination, Telepathy or
Telekinesis disciplines (in any combination) before armies are
deployed.

The pronoun, "he" refers to the most recently-used proper noun, which is "A Blood Angels Librarian (including Mephiston)".

Mephiston is never once mentioned separately from the Librarian. Not in the first part, nor in the second part.


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Can I say that for now, you should just stick with his three codex powers. If you were to take two from the BRB, you would lose the ability to cast three powers a turn because you cannot manifest the same power twice (It's not a good chance to get one of the multiple charge powers). He's a beast with his codex powers anyway.

That wont hurt him too much, he has a force weapon

Not to mention you may not have the opportunity to and/or want to manifest three abilities a turn anyway.

That said, i agree with the general assessment that his listed codex powers are almost certainly better than almost anything you can get from two random rolls off the psychic charts.

 Neorealist wrote:
Not to mention you may not have the opportunity to and/or want to manifest three abilities a turn anyway.

That said, i agree with the general assessment that his listed codex powers are almost certainly better than almost anything you can get from two random rolls off the psychic charts.

Mephy is pretty much unkillable if you get the right biomancy powers. Yeah, its random, but when it works... well, its just not right.

Also always having that third power for the Force weapon isn't a bad thing.

So them with mastery lvl of 3 he can choose 3 powers.

Lungpickle wrote:
So them with mastery lvl of 3 he can choose 3 powers.

Did you read the FAQ?
The one that says exactly how many powers he can take?
The one that says it's 2 not 3?
The one posted in this thread?

Mephiston generates 2 power from the BRB if he does not use the codex powers.