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2012/08/28 05:26:57
Subject: Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
House Speaker John Boehner is the most prominent Republican to admit, out loud, that his party's strategy for winning in November doesn't suppose that the GOP can win over some black and Latino voters, but hoping they won't vote at all. Boehner wasn't talking about voter I.D. laws, which are being pushed by Republicans and criticized as disenfranchising minority and poor voters, he did tell a luncheon hosted by the Christian Science Monitor in Tampa Monday that the Republican Party was counting on apathy from the Latinos and blacks who are choosing Democrats over Republicans by record margins in recent polls. As Talking Point Memo's Benjy Sarlin reports, Boehner said:
“This election is about economics… These groups have been hit the hardest. They may not show up and vote for our candidate but I’d suggest to you they won’t show up and vote for the president either.”
Perhaps he meant those groups would vote third-party, but it doesn't seem all that likely. Less prominent Republicans have made essentially the same case in other terms. Doug Priesse, chair of the Franklin County, Ohio, Republican Party, indicated restrictions on early voting hours and voter ID laws were meant to keep blacks from voting. In an email sent earlier this month to The Columbus Dispatch's Darrel Rowland, Priesse said
"I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine… Let’s be fair and reasonable."
Priesse is on the elections board and voted against keeping polls open in the weekends. In June, Pennsylvania House Republican leader Mike Turzai conceeded the point of voter ID is to help Republicans win when he said, "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."
And he also admits that voter ID is about making sure the republicans win.
I'm kinda surprised that no one cares about this.
2012/08/28 05:35:49
Subject: Re:Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
I'm curious: in Canada, we have a provision that gives anyone who is working such that they are unable to vote during regular hours, 2 hours paid time during the work day in order to be able to vote. Does the US have anything even close to that?
2012/08/28 05:44:29
Subject: Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
LoneLictor wrote:
I'm kinda surprised that no one cares about this.
Probably because he said no such thing. The Voter ID bit isn't even a comment by Boehner.
azazel the cat wrote:I'm curious: in Canada, we have a provision that gives anyone who is working such that they are unable to vote during regular hours, 2 hours paid time during the work day in order to be able to vote. Does the US have anything even close to that?
No. We do not.
Ma55ter_fett wrote:Unless he said something else that quote doesn't jive with the article title.
In LL's defense that is the title of the article he posted, not his own creation.
Misleading Atlantic Wire Piece Accuses Boehner Of Saying ‘Out Loud He Hopes’ Blacks, Latinos Don’t Vote
by Noah Rothman | 5:03 pm, August 27th, 2012
» 54 comments
On Monday, The Atlantic Wire’s Elspeth Reeve published a dramatically misleading piece that spun a response by House Majority Leader Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) to a question about the economy into the unwitting exposure of his outright racism. The headline of Reeve’s post reads “Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos ‘Won’t Show Up’ This Election,” and the body of the piece backs up this assertion. But the quote in question reveals no such sentiment by Boehner.
Boehner’s offending quote was made when he took questions during a Christian Science Monitor luncheon in Tampa on Monday. Boehner was asked about several demographic groups – notably, women, African Americans and Latinos — that polls have suggested are going to turn out to vote against his party in November unless the dynamics of the presidential race change.
Boehner replied that the state of the economy is likely to keep many of those voters from casting their ballots for President Barack Obama. He said that those voters were just as likely to stay home on Election Day as they were to vote against the GOP:
“This election is about economics,” Boehner said. “These groups have been hit the hardest. They may not show up and vote for our candidate but I’d suggest to you they won’t show up and vote for the president either.”
I read that sentence several times to determine whether or not my jaded antipathy towards the oft-played race card had blinded me to the obvious animus contained within. I did not see it. Nowhere in Boehner’s statement is there a hint of “hope.”
Even in Talking Points Memo’s write up by Benjy Sarlin, whose piece Reeve quotes, published Boehner’s comments under the headline “Boehner: The Economy Still Trumps All — No Matter What.”
Reeve attempts to back up the misleading headline with spurious and otherwise unrelated references to voter identification laws in Pennsylvania and Ohio’s restrictions on early voting that are purportedly discriminatory towards African American voters.
Reeve quotes an email from Franklin County, Ohio, Republican party Chairman Doug Priesse who addressed new early voting restrictions in the Buckeye State in a recent email. Again, Reeve determines that Chairman Priesse “indicated restrictions on early voting hours and voter ID laws were meant to keep blacks from voting.”
Judge for yourself:
“I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine… Let’s be fair and reasonable.”
Prior to reading Reeve’s illuminating article, I would have considered the words “fair” and “reasonable” to be rather non-discriminatory. How hopelessly naïve of me.
Defaming the somewhat anonymous local GOP official is one thing, but the attacking the U.S. House Speaker for exposing his latent racism in your own fevered estimation should be considered quite another.
Reeve’s post presents a perfectly misleading picture of events which appear to have been willfully misinterpreted by the author. At no point does the author appear to consider that there may be an incredulous audience reading this post. It seemingly never occurred to Reeve some credible evidence beyond the author’s own powers of psychoanalysis might be required to argue that Boehner had revealed the Republican party’s secretly racist agenda.
Such conduct should not be tolerated by The Atlantic Wire.
Given the misleading headline and the impression that it leaves the reader, one could be forgiven for seeing more “hope” on Reeves part — and for a rather base goal. Sadly, it is the hope for evidence of racial animus on the part of the Speaker of the House. Few actions scream misconduct as blatantly as this mischaracterization of Rep. Boehner’s comments.
h/t National Journal
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2012/08/28 06:09:29
Subject: Re:Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
azazel the cat wrote: I'm curious: in Canada, we have a provision that gives anyone who is working such that they are unable to vote during regular hours, 2 hours paid time during the work day in order to be able to vote. Does the US have anything even close to that?
Oh wait, you were serious, nope. I'd imagine that it is one of the major reasons of low voter turnout
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2012/08/28 06:10:12
Subject: Re:Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
“This election is about economics… These groups have been hit the hardest. They may not show up and vote for our candidate but I’d suggest to you they won’t show up and vote for the president either.”
There is absolutely nothing either wrong or inaccurate about this statement, so long as it was absolutely divorced from discussion about voter ID laws... which it appears to be.
It's wrong to staple together 2 separate thoughts expressed at 2 different times by 2 different people; with the end result of trying to link them in the minds of readers. It's lousy, crap journalism at it's worst, and I think all the people who talk about how much Fox News sucks should also call out our other crappy media outlets when they do the same sorts of things.
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2012/08/28 06:13:56
Subject: Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
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2012/08/28 06:21:31
Subject: Re:Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
azazel the cat wrote: I'm curious: in Canada, we have a provision that gives anyone who is working such that they are unable to vote during regular hours, 2 hours paid time during the work day in order to be able to vote. Does the US have anything even close to that?
Oh wait, you were serious, nope. I'd imagine that it is one of the major reasons of low voter turnout
As a West Wing fan from way back, I enjoy it, but it frustrates me because a lot of it is pretty lazy and I think it could be a lot better. Still way better than most of the stuff on TV, and I made time for it every week this season.
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Mannahnin wrote: As a West Wing fan from way back, I enjoy it, but it frustrates me because a lot of it is pretty lazy and I think it could be a lot better. Still way better than most of the stuff on TV, and I made time for it every week this season.
I would agree with this, though I feel to much is recycled from his other shows, especially TWW. Still, I like Daniels and it is fun to watch him read Sorkin's lines, especially between him and Terry Crewes. The horrible love triangle between the Jim, Don, and the chick with the giant forehead and sunk in eyes needs to go away. It isn't interesting and every time it veers in the direction of it it derails the show. It just isn't working.
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2012/08/28 06:36:24
Subject: Re:Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
The real question is whether his fellow orange people will turn out to vote for Boehner.
Meanwhile, Boehner was just being honest, and saying something that is neither controversial nor particularly wrong. Despite recent efforts Republicans have lost ground to the Democrats in courting the votes of black and latino people. This would be a disaster except that the Democrats have been pretty unsuccessful in turning a strong preference for their party into actually turning up at the ballot.
The only notable exception to this was 2008. Despite the noise made in Republican circles after the election, black people didn't actually support Obama any greater numbers than they had for Clinton or Gore (polling among black voters has always been 80 to 90% Democratic), what they did do was turn up at the booths in greater numbers.
Faced with that, it'd only be sensible for talk up his side's chances of winning by predicting a lower voter turnout among minorities than was seen in 2008. And given the poor state of the economy there's a reasonable chance of that happening - there certainly won't be a turnout like in 2008. It isn't enough that Romney could be anything like a favourite, but it's enough that he is still in the race at this point.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/08/28 07:03:16
Subject: Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
Mannahnin wrote: As a West Wing fan from way back, I enjoy it, but it frustrates me because a lot of it is pretty lazy and I think it could be a lot better. Still way better than most of the stuff on TV, and I made time for it every week this season.
I bumped that original thread if you guys want to talk about the finale and such.
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2012/08/28 10:55:38
Subject: Boehner Says Out Loud He Hopes Blacks and Latinos Don't Vote
“This election is about economics… These groups have been hit the hardest. They may not show up and vote for our candidate but I’d suggest to you they won’t show up and vote for the president either.”
Despite your fevered dreams, what you quoted says absolutely nothing related to your hoped for title. He's saying these groups are discouraged voters and won't vote for anyone.
azazel the cat wrote: I'm curious: in Canada, we have a provision that gives anyone who is working such that they are unable to vote during regular hours, 2 hours paid time during the work day in order to be able to vote. Does the US have anything even close to that?
Oh wait, you were serious, nope. I'd imagine that it is one of the major reasons of low voter turnout
We do have early voting and absentee voting.
Having said that I think elections should be over an entire weekend or perhaps Friday - Sunday. You can't really have longer than that as many of the locations are functioning places (schools etc.) that can't be taken down longer than that.
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It'd be no different than CNN, NBC, ABC, or CBS.
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