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**Frazzled**

d-usa wrote:
feeder wrote:
TheHammer wrote:
Anyone else getting bored with people lying on here, and then just getting snarky and posting pictures of dogs whenever they're cornered by their own lies and stupidity?

=(

TBH, Frazzled is my favorite poster that I consistently and strongly disagree with.

I disagree with Frazz on many things, I also agree with him on many things.

One of the tricks to talking to him is knowing when he is serious, and when he just likes to pretend we are a bunch of cats chasing his Wiener Legion controlled laser pointer while he posts.

Frazzled is our resident crazy uncle who might just have Tourettes, but everybody thinks he is funny to hang out with.

hence my signature line (if I still have it). And I quote:
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."

To quote the professor: Good News Everyone! The world's meanest canine, your hero and mine, TBone the Terror lives another day. We're doubling his seizure medicine and that should take care of his spells. of course this means he'll be so high he's the only dog that can see colors. And what glorious colors they are DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE.

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Wardragoon wrote:
TheHammer wrote:
Anyone else getting bored with people lying on here, and then just getting snarky and posting pictures of dogs whenever they're cornered by their own lies and stupidity?

=(

Frazzled hasnt posted any pictures of his dogs to my awareness, now I would warn you against personal attacks on people, yes politics is a tense field, but keep it professional.

P.S. The legion of Dachshunds is watching you. (Yes I am a fellow dachshund owner too )

VE ARE VIENIES VE ARE LEGION!
(my avatar is a younger TBone actually. I have to figure this here highfallutin phone download to laptop for some new pics).

**Jihadin**

Well if the guy who is profiting on the killing of one of our greatest enemies without clearing his book with the pentagon and making sure nothing he wrote endangers anybody else while also trying to debut it on the anniversary of 9/11 in a "happy everybody died day, now give me money to read how we killed the bastard" kinda way said that is wasn't true, then it probably wasn't.

So the author is wrong for the book since its profit. So is it wrong for Obama to run with it himself. Question though did Obama lie about "Full dignity and respect"

SOCOM operators have helmet cams running during operations. Its mention where OBL was literally double tapped. You are not allowed to double tap or mercy kill anyone. Its prosecution under UCMJ for murder. If Obama was indeed at the helm of watching the operation then he witness a murder.

**Wardragoon**

Jihadin wrote:
Well if the guy who is profiting on the killing of one of our greatest enemies without clearing his book with the pentagon and making sure nothing he wrote endangers anybody else while also trying to debut it on the anniversary of 9/11 in a "happy everybody died day, now give me money to read how we killed the bastard" kinda way said that is wasn't true, then it probably wasn't.

So the author is wrong for the book since its profit. So is it wrong for Obama to run with it himself. Question though did Obama lie about "Full dignity and respect"

SOCOM operators have helmet cams running during operations. Its mention where OBL was literally double tapped. You are not allowed to double tap or mercy kill anyone. Its prosecution under UCMJ for murder. If Obama was indeed at the helm of watching the operation then he witness a murder.

I think you are in the wrong thread here

**sirlynchmob**

Frazzled wrote:
Maybe I should run, I'll run as a republican in Texas so you'd believe everything I say.
***Bad idea. I haven’t voted for a Republican for federal office from Texas in my lifetime.

So tell me fraz, how can he leave a job in 1999, keep getting paid for 2 years as the CEO and sole shareholder,
***ownership dividends.
then spin off other companies if he stopped having anything to do with it?
***Not sure what you mean by “then spin off other companies.”
What possible reasons could he have for trying to distance himself from his own company?
***At least four reasons for no longer being part of “your own company” 1) Run the Olympics. 2) Run a charity; 3) Get into politics. If the political positions you are running for are full time you can’t run a company now can you. 4) You’re steenking rich and want to retire. Oh and of course 5) Your wiener dogs told you too.
Yet claim it's his business experience that will help get america out of its recession.
***There’s no negative connotation, except maybe in your head.

Isn't it amazing how every other president/CEO gets blamed/credit for all his companies success or failures, Except romney.
***You seem to be doing a lot of blaming. Bain itself however is anything but a failure for its investors. I’m sure the various funds have done awesome.
****He's in charge yet has no responsibility in anything that happened under his leadership.
Only if he was CEO or Chairman in the context .

Now there is some super cognitive dissidence.

***ownership dividends.
he got paid for being an executive.

***Not sure what you mean by “then spin off other companies.”
watch the video's I linked

so you're still going to hold onto the belief that he retired in 1999, even though:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/13/mitt-romney-bain-sec_n_1671819.html

His dogs told him to retire in 1999 yet:
"In November of that year, his signature appears on documents connected to a deal with Stericycle.
In January 2000, he signed paperwork for a deal with VMM Merger Corp.
His John Hancock appears on ChipPAC Inc. documents in February 2001.
That same month, Romney's signature can be found on paperwork connected to a Bain deal with Integrated Circuit Systems Inc.
In February 2000, he signed documents related to a deal with Wesley Jessen Visioncare Inc."

So which is it fraz, did he lie to the SEC, or is he lying to us?

**Jihadin**

Nope just putting out the latest possible "lie" by Obama.

**sirlynchmob**

Jihadin wrote:
Well if the guy who is profiting on the killing of one of our greatest enemies without clearing his book with the pentagon and making sure nothing he wrote endangers anybody else while also trying to debut it on the anniversary of 9/11 in a "happy everybody died day, now give me money to read how we killed the bastard" kinda way said that is wasn't true, then it probably wasn't.

So the author is wrong for the book since its profit. So is it wrong for Obama to run with it himself. Question though did Obama lie about "Full dignity and respect"

SOCOM operators have helmet cams running during operations. Its mention where OBL was literally double tapped. You are not allowed to double tap or mercy kill anyone. Its prosecution under UCMJ for murder. If Obama was indeed at the helm of watching the operation then he witness a murder.

Do you have any facts to back that up? You always double tap.

**d-usa**

Jihadin wrote:
Well if the guy who is profiting on the killing of one of our greatest enemies without clearing his book with the pentagon and making sure nothing he wrote endangers anybody else while also trying to debut it on the anniversary of 9/11 in a "happy everybody died day, now give me money to read how we killed the bastard" kinda way said that is wasn't true, then it probably wasn't.

So the author is wrong for the book since its profit. So is it wrong for Obama to run with it himself. Question though did Obama lie about "Full dignity and respect"

SOCOM operators have helmet cams running during operations. Its mention where OBL was literally double tapped. You are not allowed to double tap or mercy kill anyone. Its prosecution under UCMJ for murder. If Obama was indeed at the helm of watching the operation then he witness a murder.

I simply question the accuracy of a book that has gone through this much trouble to avoid being vetted by the military and is banking on emotion to make money.

A guy that was planning on debuting his book on 9/11 wouldn't have much problems with writing stuff like "we sat on the corpse" of the guy who attacked us on this day in history.
A guy that admits in his book that none of them liked Obama wouldn't have much problems writing stuff that would hurt him.
A guy that doesn't submit his book to the Pentagon wouldn't have much problems writing stuff that isn't true.

There are so many things about the book that just seem shady, but I am supposed to take him at face value? Of course people that don't like Obama are just going to eat it up.

**Jihadin**

I've a feeling I've seen more combat then you. You never double tap nor mercy kill. There can be no significant pause between shots at the same target.

edit

There are so many things about the book that just seem shady, but I am supposed to take him at face value? Of course people that don't like Obama are just going to eat it up.

Same as Romney not paying taxes for ten yrs. If there was doubt on operation on the legality of the kill should Obama can Obama run with it? Was OBL body treated with dignity and respect? Yes or no.

**d-usa**

So if Obama "lied', are you willing to persecute the trigger man, the entire team, and everybody involved in covering it up?

**Frazzled**

***ownership dividends.
he got paid for being an executive.

You said as CEO and owner. A CEO can be paid in cash, dividends or other interest. An owner can receive distributions. I’m just going with the information you noted.

***Not sure what you mean by “then spin off other companies.”
watch the video's I linked

linky blocked for me for some reason.

so you're still going to hold onto the belief that he retired in 1999, even though:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/13/mitt-romney-bain-sec_n_1671819.html

No I didn’t say any such thing. I was just responding to your hypothetical. I could care less when he quit or retired from Bain.

His dogs told him to retire in 1999 yet:

Now I am jealous. My wiener dogs said that I was special and that they only talk to me.

"In November of that year, his signature appears on documents connected to a deal with Stericycle.
In January 2000, he signed paperwork for a deal with VMM Merger Corp.
His John Hancock appears on ChipPAC Inc. documents in February 2001.
That same month, Romney's signature can be found on paperwork connected to a Bain deal with Integrated Circuit Systems Inc.
In February 2000, he signed documents related to a deal with Wesley Jessen Visioncare Inc."
So which is it fraz, did he lie to the SEC, or is he lying to us?

Oh Noes!!! He signed something!!!! Oh Noes!
You can sign a lot of things about a lot of reasons. I can’t be arsed to find out nor did I claim anything about it. Its utterly not relevant to me.
I don’t care too much about Romney. He’s a competent version of Obama to me. This election is about whether current management should keep their job.

**whembly**

Jihadin wrote:
I've a feeling I've seen more combat then you. You never double tap nor mercy kill. There can be no significant pause between shots at the same target.

Most of my family is in the service (or retired)... double-tab or mercy killing will land you in the brig. They're very serious about that.

**kronk**

TheHammer wrote:
Anyone else getting bored with people lying on here, and then just getting snarky and posting pictures of dogs whenever they're cornered by their own lies and stupidity?

=(

I'm more tired of people calling people liars and stupid, since both violate rule #1.

**Jihadin**

Yes I would advocate the presecution of the "mercy kill".

http://www.wnd.com/2005/03/29605/

**Wardragoon**

kronk wrote:
TheHammer wrote:
Anyone else getting bored with people lying on here, and then just getting snarky and posting pictures of dogs whenever they're cornered by their own lies and stupidity?

=(

I'm more tired of people calling people liars and stupid, since both violate rule #1.

Agreed, MajorTom finds out I would not be particularly surprised if he swings the Banhammer around.

**sirlynchmob**

Jihadin wrote:
I've a feeling I've seen more combat then you. You never double tap nor mercy kill. There can be no significant pause between shots at the same target.

A double tap or controlled pair is a shooting technique where two well-aimed shots are fired at the same target with very little time in between shots. Instruction and practice of the double-tap improves overall accuracy as shooters often do not have the gun fully extended on the first shot meaning the second of a double-tap is usually the better.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about here?

Still no links for any sort of facts yet? are we just to take your word for it, when you seem to be confusing double tap, for mercy kills.

**d-usa**

But do you seriously put more weight into a book written by a guy that didn't follow the proper channels, that is also trying to profit from emotions by releasing a book on 9/11 in which he talks about killing the guy who orchestrated 9/11 and sitting on his corpse than the POTUS?

Or is your whole point just rhetorical?

**kronk**

Frazzled wrote:

So tell me fraz, how can he leave a job in 1999, keep getting paid for 2 years as the CEO and sole shareholder,
***ownership dividends.

It could very well have been tax reasons.
Further, being a CEO/Chairman/GrandHighPoobah is a hell of a lot different from being a forklift driver or a chemical engineer.
His contract could have included a guaranteed X amount over X years (despite leaving early), or had some of the money deferred (paid later) for tax reasons and/or to keep the company's overhead lower by spreading out the payment.

There are a number of reason why a CEO can leave a job and still get paid 2 years later.

**d-usa**

kronk wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

So tell me fraz, how can he leave a job in 1999, keep getting paid for 2 years as the CEO and sole shareholder,
***ownership dividends.

It could very well have been tax reasons.
Further, being a CEO/Chairman/GrandHighPoobah is a hell of a lot different from being a forklift driver or a chemical engineer.
His contract could have included a guaranteed X amount over X years (despite leaving early), or had some of the money deferred (paid later) for tax reasons and/or to keep the company's overhead lower by spreading out the payment.

There are a number of reason why a CEO can leave a job and still get paid 2 years later.

Maybe he did such a terrible job they paid him not to come back?

**kronk**

d-usa wrote:

Maybe he did such a terrible job they paid him not to come back?

It's called severance pay and it's often TOTALLY worth it!

**Amaya**

What is wrong with double tapping?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_tap

**kronk**

I know, right? I like double tapping videos!

Oh, that kind of double tapping....

**Jihadin**

You miss where there's a significant pause between shots I mention? If I take a shooter down with one or two rounds I cannot shoot the target again unless the target reaches for his weapon then I'm authorized to shoot again. If I shoot the target down and pause and shoot the target again I'm up for murder. Thats a double tap. Thats a murder.

**whembly**

Jihadin wrote:
You miss where there's a significant pause between shots I mention? If I take a shooter down with one or two rounds I cannot shoot the target again unless the target reaches for his weapon then I'm authorized to shoot again. If I shoot the target down and pause and shoot the target again I'm up for murder. Thats a double tap. Thats a murder.

Yup^^^^^ couldn't said it better.

Could it be like this?

Double tap, aka - Hammer: Sight picture, two shots, back to the sights
Controlled pair - Sight picture, shot, sight picture, shot, back to the sights, exceuted at speed.

Wouldn't the controlled pair be Murder?

In either case, the military makes specific distinction on this and you can be charged with Murder.

Did this change in the 90s? Or, has it always been like this?

**Jihadin**

I see no ones taking up that Obama possible "lie" about "Dignity and respect"

edit
Think it has changed in the 90's. Was ingrained into me while I was a Fister not to shoot a target twice.

**whembly**

Jihadin wrote:
I see no ones taking up that Obama possible "lie" about "Dignity and respect"

psst:
http://obamalies.net/

**sirlynchmob**

Jihadin wrote:
You miss where there's a significant pause between shots I mention? If I take a shooter down with one or two rounds I cannot shoot the target again unless the target reaches for his weapon then I'm authorized to shoot again. If I shoot the target down and pause and shoot the target again I'm up for murder. Thats a double tap. Thats a murder.

That would be murder, that is not a double tap. If you pause it is not a double tap.

because according to:
"Lesson 18. Close Quarters Combat". United States Army. Retrieved 6 June 2011.
For multiple targets, each target should receive a double tap."

**Jihadin**

Thats correct. a succesion of fire. You still cannot have a significant pause between shots on the target. Its a double tap.

edit
Alright in US Infantry term its two shots with a significant pause inbetween.

edit
So did Obama possibly lie about OBL body being treated with dignity or respect?

**Wardragoon**

How did this thread turn into shooting? As in this has gone so offtopic I am confused.

**Amaya**

I am so confused as to why we are using two phrases interchangeably and yet one of them allegedly means something else as well...

**whembly**

Wardragoon wrote:
How did this thread turn into shooting? As in this has gone so offtopic I am confused.

I think when Jihadin posed the 'did Obama lie' about the dignity/respect of OBL's remains....