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Was playing a game earlier tonight (Orks vs Nids) and we had a couple of questions come up. Was hoping some of the rules lawyers here at Dakka could help sort them out. If possible, please cite page numbers.

Night Fighting
If the game begins with the Night Fighting rules in play, when do they end? This seems like a no-brainer, but after scouring the rules for Night Fighting I couldn't find anything about when they end.

I had a situation where 8 Lootas were inside 24" of his Hive Guard, and the other two were just outside 24". When calculating the cover save bonus for Stealth/Shrouded (from Night Fighting) do you go off the squad majority? Do you roll separately for models in different range brackets? Does the entire squad take the worse modifier?

Psychic Powers
Can a vehicle Deny the Witch?

Overwatch
A unit of Ymgarl Genestealers assaults my Lootas across an Aegis Defense Line. Do the Genestealers get a cover save from the fortificaton against Overwatch fire?

Challenges
Do Wounds from Challenges count towards overall combat resolution, or is the Challenge treated as a separate combat?

I might come up with more questions later, but that's what I remember from our game. Thanks in advance!

PrinceOfMadness wrote:
Was playing a game earlier tonight (Orks vs Nids) and we had a couple of questions come up. Was hoping some of the rules lawyers here at Dakka could help sort them out. If possible, please cite page numbers.

Night Fighting
If the game begins with the Night Fighting rules in play, when do they end? This seems like a no-brainer, but after scouring the rules for Night Fighting I couldn't find anything about when they end.

I had a situation where 8 Lootas were inside 24" of his Hive Guard, and the other two were just outside 24". When calculating the cover save bonus for Stealth/Shrouded (from Night Fighting) do you go off the squad majority? Do you roll separately for models in different range brackets? Does the entire squad take the worse modifier?

The distance to a target is measured from the one unit to the closest model. The models in the back don't care about range.
Which means essentially you take the worst modifier.

Psychic Powers
Can a vehicle Deny the Witch?

Yes.

Overwatch
A unit of Ymgarl Genestealers assaults my Lootas across an Aegis Defense Line. Do the Genestealers get a cover save from the fortificaton against Overwatch fire?

Yes - you Overwatch before resolving the charge, so they're on the other side of the wall when you shoot.

1. First turn
2. Range is measured to the front (Note HG ignore cover saves unless your in or touching and it lies between target and HG)
3. Yes
4. Is 25% of them covered by the ADL ?
5. Yes.

No, they ignore terrain between you unless you are in or touching it. NF doesnt care about terrain

Night Fighting grants an Stealth or Shrouded based on distance.

Both Stealth and Shrouded grant an "improved cover save". They also grant a cover save for being in the open. The Impaler cannon ignores all cover saves except for terrain the target is in or touching if it lies between them and the Hive Guard.

Stealth and Shrouded are not Terrain, so would not stop the Impaler Cannon was the point I was bringing up.

rigeld2 wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:

Overwatch
A unit of Ymgarl Genestealers assaults my Lootas across an Aegis Defense Line. Do the Genestealers get a cover save from the fortificaton against Overwatch fire?

Yes - you Overwatch before resolving the charge, so they're on the other side of the wall when you shoot.

I'm not sure I agree with this. If I recall, you resolve OW before moving the charging models. If the OW shooting unit is hugging an Aegis Defense Line and the assaulting unit is 6 inches away from the line and out in the open, how would the assaulting unit benefit from the ADL cover save? Cover save is determined by line of sight from the firing model, and in this case, the target unit is not obscurred in any way.

Now if the OW shooting unit is not hugging the ADL and were a few inches behind it, then I could see the assaulting unit gaining the cover save because at that point, there would be some portion of the models being obscurred. I guess it really just depends on the situation, but I know that most units using an ADL for cover are typically right behind it.