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Hi,

I only recently managed to get a hold of the 6th edition rulebook, so please forgive me for any newbishness.

In the Tyranid codex it says that if you fail an instinctive behaviour test and your instinctive behaviour is feed, then the unit gets the rage universal special rule, and cannot shoot. Now in 5th edition this meant that the unit had to move towards, run and charge the closest enemy, however rage has changed in 6th edition - instead the unit gets +2 instead of +1 attacks for charging. Does this mean that I can now move my rage-filled Hormagaunts in any way I want? If so, failing instinctive behaviour now seems like a good thing! (though you're not fearless, so could be bad when taking casualties and pinning.)


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Yes, IB-Feed got better in every way in 6th.

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Check out the faq - ity also states you may not shoot, from memory
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Check out the faq - ity also states you may not shoot, from memory

True, however many Feed units don't have guns anyway (the Hormagaunts example that was given).

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Dont carnifexen get Feed? It was pointing out that the FAQ has something additional to say
   
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Yes, Carnifexes feed and so do Trygons. Those afaik are the "most important" Feed/shooty units.

Both of them I'd rather be running unless I'm about to assault anyway. The only "loss" is the pre-assault shooting and thats not always a good thing.

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rigeld2 wrote:
Yes, Carnifexes feed and so do Trygons. Those afaik are the "most important" Feed/shooty units.

Both of them I'd rather be running unless I'm about to assault anyway. The only "loss" is the pre-assault shooting and thats not always a good thing.


With 2 TL Devourers, the Fex isnt a bad shooter now. Averaging 9 S6 shots per turn is decent.
   
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Yeah, but I wouldn't base any sort of plan around failing a ld10 test...

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 Von Chogg wrote:
Yeah, but I wouldn't base any sort of plan around failing a ld10 test...

Carnifex is LD7. Trygons are LD8. Hormagaunts are LD6.

The only non-Synapse LD10 models in the Tyranid army are Genestealers, who don't have IB-anything.

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 Von Chogg wrote:
Yeah, but I wouldn't base any sort of plan around failing a ld10 test...

Von Chogg


Generally speaking, you are only going to find Ld10 on the synapse critters. IB-Feed critters tend to be Ld6-8.

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If you plan on using a Gun Emplacement just keep in mind that you can't shoot that either. I know so folks like using Venomthropes for thier very odd BS4, but if they go IB then no more shooting.
Also Ravs are starting to be given guns more often and they are IB-Feed. If you plan on sending them out of synapse to try and get the extra attack keep that in mind.
   
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Bah - you should only use Biovores or Termagants to shoot gun emplacements. BS4 (on the biovore), cheaper than a Vthrope and IB-Lurk. Just make sure the gun is in area terrain.

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rigeld2 wrote:
Bah - you should only use Biovores or Termagants to shoot gun emplacements. BS4 (on the biovore), cheaper than a Vthrope and IB-Lurk. Just make sure the gun is in area terrain.


Biovores are BS3, not BS4. I tend to use the biovore as well just becasue I can lob mines at stuff if there are not units in LoS of the gun. Also I generally have an open HS slot. I have only tried out the ADL in 1 or 2 games and I found they really are not my play style.

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... Why do I always screw that up? Good thing I always reference the codex during a game to avoid me doing that.

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Doom has Feed.and Leadership 10. Of course, I usually trade in cataclysm for Biomancy power.

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Happyjew wrote:
Doom has Feed.and Leadership 10. Of course, I usually trade in cataclysm for Biomancy power.


I never really understood why the Doom is not a synapse creature like every other Zoan. But it does fail leadership checks on occassion. At least it gets the additional attack and leech is not effected.
   
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I've never cared if Doom failed IB or not, If he is in CC, then I'm guaranteed at least 1 unit in range of Leech, and I don't have to worry about everyone shooting at him. Like last game, when he was wounded by 30 Scatter Laser shots from a Walker Squadron... and managed to save against 9 of them...

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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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Thanks guys, I used this in a game against Necrons this afternoon, though they only failed IB once they were locked in combat I lost in the end, Doomscythes are just invincible!

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I thought you didn't have to test for IB if locked in combat.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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Really? I need to read up on my rules...

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I'm fairly certain that units in combat and falling back doing have to test.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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There's nothing that says they don't have to take the test if locked in combat. It's just that there is no point in taking the test.

If it's a lurking model, then it can't move or launch assaults. Oh well, it's already locked in combat anyway.
If it's a feeding model then it can't shoot. Once again, it couldn't shoot to start with as it's locked in combat.
   
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Arson Fire wrote:
There's nothing that says they don't have to take the test if locked in combat. It's just that there is no point in taking the test.


All unengaged units that are not falling back or have gone to ground test for IB.

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Happyjew wrote:
Arson Fire wrote:
There's nothing that says they don't have to take the test if locked in combat. It's just that there is no point in taking the test.


All unengaged units that are not falling back or have gone to ground test for IB.

What he said. If you're locked you don't test.

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Ah, you're right. I don't know how I missed that.

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Getting Rage is actually not so great for the little units, because they lose Fearless. I'd rather have that than get swept in assault.

   
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Happyjew wrote:
Doom has Feed.and Leadership 10. Of course, I usually trade in cataclysm for Biomancy power.


I never really understood why the Doom is not a synapse creature like every other Zoan. But it does fail leadership checks on occassion. At least it gets the additional attack and leech is not effected.


I think the Doom does have synapse... Not 100 percent positive though.

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 Dozer Blades wrote:
 Gloomfang wrote:
Happyjew wrote:
Doom has Feed.and Leadership 10. Of course, I usually trade in cataclysm for Biomancy power.


I never really understood why the Doom is not a synapse creature like every other Zoan. But it does fail leadership checks on occassion. At least it gets the additional attack and leech is not effected.


I think the Doom does have synapse... Not 100 percent positive though.

It doesn't. It has Shadows but not Synapse.

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