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Single Wulfen vs. Single Death Company.

Wulfen has what's left of it's armour. Death Company in full armour with Chainsword


He goes Wulfen are the most psychotic things the SM have (we ignored Angron and World Eaters ) I immediately reply with Death Company, Dakka decides.

Far out this is a hard one... TT wulfen wins for the same cost, but fluff? Dayum, If you just chucked both in an arena I would think both would end up killing each other, they are both psychopathic so I guess it's whether the moon is out or not

I go with BA death company. Lets think about it, fully armored chainswords and weapons. I've read they keep fighting even when a normal astartes would be long dead from wounds. They're just as ravenously blood hungry as wulfen except armored and almost... possesed.

This is a very tough one...one wolfy can shredd a whole company of SM and also shrug a bolter fire (evidence in TS book,they can only be stopped with a clear shot in the head ) but DC has more brain matter (left) and can be more controled....but hell I don't know, Wulfen are like pure animals and DC is PSYhotic..
Muscles and Toughness= Wulfen (yeah they shred armor with ease)
Psyhotic Crazynest and tactical deployment = DC

one on one in melee - Wulfen is clear winner
and if you add a whole company of Wulfen ( which there are none ) it's baw wau wau yipi yo yipi ye for the Lycan

I don't see how wulfen is the clear winner. 1 on 1 a DC marine took out a dreadnought in the BA Omnibus. He died of his wounds shortly after, but that is no small feat.

Orblivion wrote:
I don't see how wulfen is the clear winner. 1 on 1 a DC marine took out a dreadnought in the BA Omnibus. He died of his wounds shortly after, but that is no small feat.

Ok- but sacrifice doesn't count as victory in melee...but I do admire BA kamikaze style
OP should add tie(both of them dead) in the poll

In the second SW omnibus i believe a 13th company Wolf Priest is able to control a pack or two of wulfen.

In Fear to Tread you get a chance to see the Space Wolves' opinion of "Death Company-ish" Blood Angels. He compares them to the normal Space Wolves. Well kind of.

Fear to Tread spoiler:
Where as:

ATS page 539 on wulfen wrote:Their claws could tear through battle-plate with ease, and their teeth were vicious as any energized blade.

On an extra vicious Space Wolf.

Wulfen wins 8 out 10

 Stonerhino wrote:
In Fear to Tread you get a chance to see the Space Wolves' opinion of "Death Company-ish" Blood Angels. He compares them to the normal Space Wolves. Well kind of.

Fear to Tread spoiler:

Spoiler:

>After the BAs went all crazy<
Helik Redknife was not a stranger to the feral beast that lurked in men’s souls. He had seen it in himself too often, knowing that such a thing was real and had great power. Many believed that the Wolves of Russ were nothing but that force, wild and undisciplined, but those who thought so did not know the sons of Fenris. To recognise that bestial self and fight war with it, to shackle it to the needs of the great murder-make, required a degree of control no mere barbarian could ever manage.

Until this day he had not witnessed the sight of that feral power let slip in any other Legion but his own, but it was here, all around him, in the eyes of every Blood Angel he came across

Where as:

ATS page 539 on wulfen wrote:Their claws could tear through battle-plate with ease, and their teeth were vicious as any energized blade.

On an extra vicious Space Wolf.

Wulfen wins 8 out 10

Not quite. What was unleashed in Fear to Tread was the Red Thirst, not the Black Rage that the Death Company suffers from. They are not the same curse.

On the table top, the Wolfin will probably win. While in the fluff arena, it would be tie with both dead. The wolfin would tear into the DC with his claws and do some real damage. The DC wouldn't stop fighting until the wolfin stopped moving. Only then to realize that his body is missing most of its important parts and collapses into a heap of shredded bone, muscle, and organs.

This is a hard one since i don't know their fluff much.

I said DC because his still got his armour, but after reading that wofen can bite through and claw through armour like paper then that puts them to be very close.

If they exchanged punches or attacks they both would be focus on attacking and not defending so both of them would chop each other's head off at the same time.

This poll is pure BA fans vs SW fans thread...Even if DC (in some miracle:-) win, well- they won't stay long enough to celabrate...:-)But this is very fluff wise ungrateful poll...

 Marthike wrote:
This is a hard one since i don't know their fluff much.

I said DC because his still got his armour, but after reading that wofen can bite through and claw through armour like paper then that puts them to be very close.

If they exchanged punches or attacks they both would be focus on attacking and not defending so both of them would chop each other's head off at the same time.

Depending on how recently lost he is the Wulfen could have his armour...

I went with DC because while my SW fluff knowledge is a little rusty and out of date, from memory DC could shrug off mortal wounds, albiet only to succumb to them after the battle.

To be fair they are pretty evenly matched...
Assuming the DC has weapons...

I'm sorry, but the Blood Angels got nothing against Space Wolf plot armour.

 Lynata wrote:
I'm sorry, but the Blood Angels got nothing against Space Wolf plot armour.

O Lynata, i expect better from you....

 Revenent Reiko wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
I'm sorry, but the Blood Angels got nothing against Space Wolf plot armour.

O Lynata, i expect better from you....

SHe is sarcastic probably - if she gives one praise to the wolves I will open a bottle of courvoisier

There's no poll option for "They kill each other."

I vote for Death Company because I like Baroque Space Vampires more than I like Nordic Space Werewolves.

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Revenent Reiko wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
I'm sorry, but the Blood Angels got nothing against Space Wolf plot armour.

O Lynata, i expect better from you....

He is sarcastic probably - if he gives one praise to the wolves I will open a bottle of courvoisier

I hope so, otherwise the sky has started falling....

Orblivion wrote:

 Stonerhino wrote:
In Fear to Tread you get a chance to see the Space Wolves' opinion of "Death Company-ish" Blood Angels. He compares them to the normal Space Wolves. Well kind of.

Fear to Tread spoiler:

Spoiler:

>After the BAs went all crazy<
Helik Redknife was not a stranger to the feral beast that lurked in men’s souls. He had seen it in himself too often, knowing that such a thing was real and had great power. Many believed that the Wolves of Russ were nothing but that force, wild and undisciplined, but those who thought so did not know the sons of Fenris. To recognise that bestial self and fight war with it, to shackle it to the needs of the great murder-make, required a degree of control no mere barbarian could ever manage.

Until this day he had not witnessed the sight of that feral power let slip in any other Legion but his own, but it was here, all around him, in the eyes of every Blood Angel he came across

Where as:

ATS page 539 on wulfen wrote:Their claws could tear through battle-plate with ease, and their teeth were vicious as any energized blade.

On an extra vicious Space Wolf.

Wulfen wins 8 out 10

Not quite. What was unleashed in Fear to Tread was the Red Thirst, not the Black Rage that the Death Company suffers from. They are not the same curse.

Not completely the same thing because "The Black Rage" does not come into affect until after Sanguinius' death. There is however "The Company of Death" and it's that curse that's brought out. So what's seen in Fear to Tread is the same thing but caused by a different effect.

No it isn't. The company of death they refer to is made up of dead marines that have fallen to the Red Thirst, it isn't the Death Company that we know now. Currently, the Red Thirst can lead to the Black Rage, but the Red Thirst is something that can come and go during battle just as we see in Fear to Tread. The Black Rage is on a whole other level, they frequently babble to themselves during the time leading up to the battle and they constantly rev their chainswords. Red Thirst is a bloodlust, like we see in Fear to Tread. Black Rage turns them into full on psychopaths.

The Black Rage is just the loss of control to the Red Thrist. For modern "Death Company" the memory of Sanguinius' death is just the catalyst through which control is lost. What we see in Fear to Tread is the same loss of control through a different catalyst. The Blood Angels who go through this loss of control in the book are killed and become part of the "Company of Death". With the exceptions of the ones who

Wulfen.

They can actually be lucid if the change happens gradually enough. The 13th company is almost entirly Wulfen, but they still continue to fight with tactics(guided by the non-wulfen)

So the Wulfen may not be crazy. Animalistic certaintly, but not completely gone from sanity.

 Stonerhino wrote:
The Black Rage is just the loss of control to the Red Thrist. For modern "Death Company" the memory of Sanguinius' death is just the catalyst through which control is lost. What we see in Fear to Tread is the same loss of control through a different catalyst. The Blood Angels who go through this loss of control in the book are killed and become part of the "Company of Death". With the exceptions of the ones who

Spoiler:

Only artifically lost control because the enemy's plot

Wrong. The Red Thirst can come upon Blood Angels during battle and abate afterwards, they feel it clawing at them during combat and they usually resist it. The Black Rage comes with little or no warning and is comprised of different symptoms. Read the BA omnibus, you will see members of the Death Company standing in their drop pod racks waiting for the battle to start. They are mumbling to themselves and are very twitchy, but it is obvious that they are not suffering from any sort of bloodlust at that point. They are two different afflictions. However, that does not mean that members of the Death Company do no immediately fall to the Red Thirst as well once the fighting starts, after all they no longer care enough to resist it.

EDIT: Perfect example of what I'm talking about is the tabletop rules themselves. You roll a die at the beginning of the game for all units that have the Red Thirst rule. Those units that fall to the Red Thirst through those rolls do not become Death Company do they? They are still the same unit they always were, but they now suffer from a bloodlust. Death Company marines are in a very different situation.

If we were to consider equipment as a factor in this, I would lean more towards the Death Company. Wulfen v power-armor and chainsword, 50/50. Kitted out wulfen- still a wulfen, kitted out death company comes thundering out of the sky with a thunder-hammer and jump pack. Or, better yet, anyone can succumb to the black rage, as best represented with the models, in a dread. Wulfen v Dread is not a good matchup for the wulfen.

 Dragonfodder wrote:
If we were to consider equipment as a factor in this, I would lean more towards the Death Company. Wulfen v power-armor and chainsword, 50/50. Kitted out wulfen- still a wulfen, kitted out death company comes thundering out of the sky with a thunder-hammer and jump pack. Or, better yet, anyone can succumb to the black rage, as best represented with the models, in a dread. Wulfen v Dread is not a good matchup for the wulfen.

Wulfen have killed dreadnoughts before...

 purplefood wrote:

 Dragonfodder wrote:
If we were to consider equipment as a factor in this, I would lean more towards the Death Company. Wulfen v power-armor and chainsword, 50/50. Kitted out wulfen- still a wulfen, kitted out death company comes thundering out of the sky with a thunder-hammer and jump pack. Or, better yet, anyone can succumb to the black rage, as best represented with the models, in a dread. Wulfen v Dread is not a good matchup for the wulfen.

Wulfen have killed dreadnoughts before...

Sure they have killed dreads before, but we're talking death company dread. All the psychopathic unstoppable murder-machine-ness of a regular death company, now in the form of a giant robot!

 Dragonfodder wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 Dragonfodder wrote:
If we were to consider equipment as a factor in this, I would lean more towards the Death Company. Wulfen v power-armor and chainsword, 50/50. Kitted out wulfen- still a wulfen, kitted out death company comes thundering out of the sky with a thunder-hammer and jump pack. Or, better yet, anyone can succumb to the black rage, as best represented with the models, in a dread. Wulfen v Dread is not a good matchup for the wulfen.

Wulfen have killed dreadnoughts before...

Sure they have killed dreads before, but we're talking death company dread. All the psychopathic unstoppable murder-machine-ness of a regular death company, now in the form of a giant robot!

Whereas chaos dreadnoughts are known for their calm and calculating nature?

Can I highlight the word unstoppable? A Death-Company dread can take wounds that would stop a regular dread and keep on charging, just like their power-armored brethren, represented by it's ability that ignores crew shaken/stunned results,