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So has the European Union failed?

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48881981/ns/business-us_business/#.UESxOKOluZQ

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By Nelson D. Schwartz
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Even as Greece desperately tries to avoid defaulting on its debt, American companies are preparing for what was once unthinkable: that Greece could soon be forced to leave the euro zone.

Bank of America Merrill Lynch has looked into filling trucks with cash and sending them over the Greek border so clients can continue to pay local employees and suppliers in the event money is unavailable. Ford has configured its computer systems so they will be able to immediately handle a new Greek currency.

No one knows just how broad the shock waves from a Greek exit would be, but big American banks and consulting firms have also been doing a brisk business advising their corporate clients on how to prepare for a splintering of the euro zone.

That is a striking contrast to the assurances from European politicians that the crisis is manageable and that the currency union can be held together. On Thursday, the European Central Bank will consider measures that would ease pressure on Europe’s cash-starved countries.

JPMorgan Chase, though, is taking no chances. It has already created new accounts for a handful of American giants that are reserved for a new drachma in Greece or whatever currency might succeed the euro in other countries.

Stock markets around the world have rallied this summer on hopes that European leaders will solve the Continent’s debt problems, but the quickening tempo of preparations by big business for a potential Greek exit this summer suggests that investors may be unduly optimistic. Many executives are deeply skeptical that Greece will accede to the austere fiscal policies being demanded by Europe in return for financial assistance.

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Greece’s abandonment of the euro would most likely create turmoil in global markets, which have experienced periodic sell-offs whenever Europe’s debt problems have flared up over the last two and a half years. It would also increase the pressure on Italy and Spain, much larger economic powers that are struggling with debt problems of their own.

“It’s safe to say most companies are preparing,” said Paul Dennis, a program manager with Corporate Executive Board, a private advisory firm.

In a survey this summer, the firm found that 80 percent of clients polled expected Greece to leave the euro zone, and a fifth of those expected more countries to follow.

“Fifteen months ago when we started looking at this, we said it was unthinkable,” said Heiner Leisten, a partner with the Boston Consulting Group in Cologne, Germany, who heads up its global insurance practice. “It’s not impossible or unthinkable now.”

Mr. Leisten’s firm, as well as PricewaterhouseCoopers, has already considered the timing of a Greek withdrawal — for example, the news might hit on a Friday night, when global markets are closed.

A bank holiday could quickly follow, with the stock market and most local financial institutions shutting down, while new capital controls make it hard to move money in and out of the country.

“We’ve had conversations with several dozen companies and we’re doing work for a number of these,” said Peter Frank, who advises corporate treasurers as a principal at Pricewaterhouse. “Almost all of that has come in over the transom in the last 90 days.”

He added: “Companies are asking some very granular questions, like ‘If a news release comes out on a Friday night announcing that Greece has pulled out of the euro, what do we do?’ In some cases, companies have contingency plans in place, such as having someone take a train to Athens with 50,000 euros to pay employees.”

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The recent wave of preparations by American companies for a Greek exit from the euro signals a stark switch from their stance in the past, said Carole Berndt, head of global transaction services in Europe, the Middle East and Africa for Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

“When we started giving advice, they came for the free sandwiches and chocolate cookies,” she said jokingly. “Now that has changed, and contingency planning is focused on three primary scenarios — a single-country exit, a multicountry exit and a breakup of the euro zone in its entirety.”

Banks and consulting firms are reluctant to name clients, and many big companies also declined to discuss their contingency plans, fearing it could anger customers in Europe if it became known they were contemplating the euro’s demise.
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Central banks, as well as Germany’s finance ministry, have also been considering the implications of a Greek exit but have been even more secretive about specific plans.

But some corporations are beginning to acknowledge they are ready if Greece or even additional countries leave the euro zone, making sure systems can handle a quick transition to a new currency.

In Europe, the holding company for Iberia Airlines and British Airways has acknowledged it is preparing plans in the event of a euro exit by Spain.

“We’ve looked at many scenarios, including where one or more countries decides to redenominate,” said Roger Griffith, who oversees global settlement and customer risk for MasterCard. “We have defined operating steps and communications steps to take.” He added: “Practically, we could make a change in a day or two and be prepared in terms of our systems.”

In a statement, Visa said that it too would also be able to make “a swift transition to a new currency with the minimum possible disruption to consumers and retailers.”

Juniper Networks, a provider of networking technology based in California, created a “Euro Zone Crisis Assessment and Contingency Plan,” which company officials liken to the kind of business continuity plans they maintain in the event of an earthquake.

“It’s about having an awareness versus having to scramble,” said Catherine Portman, vice president for treasury at Juniper. The company has already begun moving funds in euro zone banks to accounts elsewhere more frequently, while making sure it has adequate money and liquidity in place so employees and suppliers are paid without disruption.

FMC, a chemical giant based in Philadelphia, is asking some Greek customers to pay in advance, rather than risk selling to them now and not getting paid later. It has also begun to avoid keeping any excess cash in Greek, Spanish or Italian bank accounts, while carefully monitoring the creditworthiness of customers in those countries.

“It’s been a very hot topic,” said Thomas C. Deas Jr., an FMC executive who serves as chairman of the National Association of Corporate Treasurers. Members of his group discussed the issue on a conference call last Tuesday, he added.

American companies have actually been more aggressive about seeking out advice than their European counterparts, according to John Gibbons, head of treasury services in Europe for JPMorgan Chase.

Mr. Gibbons said a handful of the largest American companies had requested the special accounts configured for a currency that did not yet exist.

“We’re planning against the extreme,” he said. “You don’t lose anything by doing it.”

This story, "U.S. Companies Brace for an Exit From the Euro by Greece," first appeared in The New York Times.

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Yes, everyone over here knows that its more than likely that Greece will be kicked out of the Euro and possibly even the European Union, before the end of the year. They are constantly clamouring for more time and money even though they have already had 50+% of their debt "pardoned" and have failed to implement the majority of the agreed upon measures. The big boys are getting tired of being lied to by the Greeks.

No, no other country is even remotely likely to follow them and if it happened to a country like Spain or Italy then the whole Euro would collapse so it will never happen to countries like Spain or Italy.
   
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 generalgrog wrote:
So has the European Union failed?

No. If Rhode Island went bust, do you think that'd bring down the rest of the USA?

The Greek economy is tiny. Spain/Italy are more worrying, though not as worrying as the media would like us to believe (Spain has a low over-all debt, and Italy actually has credible government now).

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When news of the incredible Greek debt came out, what a year? two? ago, it was already stated by some politicians and economists that it was not a question of if Greece was going to get kicked out, but when.
The only reason they've been kept on for as long as they have is so that banks, governments and international companies with investments there could prepare for it so the blow doesn't wipe out the eurozone.
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Greek debt is irrelevent. Spanish and Italian debt is the real threat.

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 Testify wrote:
 generalgrog wrote:
So has the European Union failed?

No. If Rhode Island went bust, do you think that'd bring down the rest of the USA?

The Greek economy is tiny. Spain/Italy are more worrying, though not as worrying as the media would like us to believe (Spain has a low over-all debt, and Italy actually has credible government now).

Viva Europa.



While I agree that the GDP of Greece is relatively light--Greece removing themselves from the Union and defaulting on their debt would be no trivial matter. First, it's around 50 billion in debt (I think that's pretty close)--with France having a majority. All of that would, given they exit the Union, be defaulted.

Second, it would be a fairly significant signal to other investors---that hey, Spain may not be a place to park your money given what Greece did. If they stop investing/purchasing those bonds, then it could result in a national style run on a bank--that Spain certainly could not withstand.

It's one heck of a situation---where the rest of the Eurozone knows they can't let Greece fail---yet they also know they cannot simply write off more debt. Whereas Greek politicians understand what measures might need to be taken--but do not have the political capital to do so.

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The bond markets are highly irrational. There are methods in place for if the Italian/Spanish governments can't borrow money at reasonable rates on the bond markets.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if we did see a break-up of the Eurozone. It seems...strange to me that the economy of Portugal should be held by by a strong currency because of German exports. A currency that included Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium etc would be much more likely to have the UK join too, which is my concern. Not that it would ever happen, obviously.

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 Testify wrote:
The bond markets are highly irrational. There are methods in place for if the Italian/Spanish governments can't borrow money at reasonable rates on the bond markets.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if we did see a break-up of the Eurozone. It seems...strange to me that the economy of Portugal should be held by by a strong currency because of German exports. A currency that included Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium etc would be much more likely to have the UK join too, which is my concern. Not that it would ever happen, obviously.



Well, that is the crux of it right now--can the ECB step in. The ECB has certainly indicated it might support the bond market to lower interest rates--however, that is the sticking point that Germany keeps coming back to. I'm certainly not a fiscal major (nor an attorney) but from my limited NPR/reading--the ECB purchasing bonds in this manner goes against the European Treaty (Whereas they are backing a country directly)--not to mention the German populace does not seem thrilled with the idea.

In the end, I think Spain/Italy will likely hold with ECB support--but it will certainly set the EU back (both in terms of social acceptance and fiscally). What a mess.

What I'm most interested in though--is how in the heck did Greece get to this point without someone stepping in? 50b in outstanding debt to various European countries (France at 35+b?!)

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 AgeOfEgos wrote:
 Testify wrote:
The bond markets are highly irrational. There are methods in place for if the Italian/Spanish governments can't borrow money at reasonable rates on the bond markets.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if we did see a break-up of the Eurozone. It seems...strange to me that the economy of Portugal should be held by by a strong currency because of German exports. A currency that included Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium etc would be much more likely to have the UK join too, which is my concern. Not that it would ever happen, obviously.



Well, that is the crux of it right now--can the ECB step in. The ECB has certainly indicated it might support the bond market to lower interest rates--however, that is the sticking point that Germany keeps coming back to. I'm certainly not a fiscal major (nor an attorney) but from my limited NPR/reading--the ECB purchasing bonds in this manner goes against the European Treaty (Whereas they are backing a country directly)--not to mention the German populace does not seem thrilled with the idea.

In the end, I think Spain/Italy will likely hold with ECB support--but it will certainly set the EU back (both in terms of social acceptance and fiscally). What a mess.

Yep. The Germans don't want to gaurentee "weak" countries with their own "strong" economy. And obviously the ECB isn't going to devalue.
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What I'm most interested in though--is how in the heck did Greece get to this point without someone stepping in? 50b in outstanding debt to various European countries (France at 35+b?!)

...did you set this question up deliciously for me?

The rules for the EU stipulate that a government's deficit couldn't exceed a certain amount - in order to prevent individual countries fething up and needing bailing out. So Greece...lied! They got Goldman Sachs to do it, too.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html

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 Testify wrote:


...did you set this question up deliciously for me?

The rules for the EU stipulate that a government's deficit couldn't exceed a certain amount - in order to prevent individual countries fething up and needing bailing out. So Greece...lied! They got Goldman Sachs to do it, too.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html



Not sure why this keeps deleting my post

That was a terrific reply and great article--thanks! Goldman Sachs--what a corrupt, disaster of a company. I would hope this at least raises some questions---if not lead to arrests (yeah right). Again, thanks for the info!

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 Testify wrote:
The bond markets are highly rational.

Corrected your typo. Greek debt has been effectively written off by most institutions at this point. Italian and Spanish debt is at risk at this point.

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