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Me and some friends sometimes play games at home that are intended to be casual and just for fun. The issue we're having is that one of us is unable to make casual lists and even though he sometimes believe that his list is casual, it's really hardcore. Even though we pointed this out several times, it continues. Sadly it's really destroying the fun, especially since the level of the players is very different, and ofc the level of the codexes too.

I got the suggestion from a friend in the us that we could make fluff games or campaigns that forces the list building to be casual. Does anyone have any cool ideas to share?

We really want to play with him since he's our friend, but the games tends to get really boring and mostly annoying so we need a solution.

Thanks in advance.

I make my lists based on the background ive thought up for my regiment. people may say that armoured sentinels are unplayable but i find them very useful for giving fire support to my infantry squads.

 master of ordinance wrote:
I make my lists based on the background ive thought up for my regiment. people may say that armoured sentinels are unplayable but i find them very useful for giving fire support to my infantry squads.

Yes but that is something that you choose to do. And I admire it, but since finding broken combos and only running the best units in the codex is the problem with our friend we need a solution that forces casual gaming.

Set limits on your FOC. For example only allowed one Elite per two troops... The variations are pretty limitless.

Darefsky has a good idea. Other ways you could do things would be to restrict wounds or ban lists that have seen tournament play (if that's a problem). I have a similar problem with my local gaming group sometimes but that person isn't there much so I'm quite lucky. It cement your ideas further and stiop things reverting back to nofuntimes, you could play a campaign together which often restricts armies ect.

Good Luck

Isn't one of the ways stop their being 2 identical units? So you can have 4 squads of purifiers, but they have to be armed differently. You can have 3 dreads, but they need different kit. You can have 3 squads of X wraiths, but you need different kit from unit to unit.

Stops spamminess if that is the problem?

 motyak wrote:
Isn't one of the ways stop their being 2 identical units? So you can have 4 squads of purifiers, but they have to be armed differently. You can have 3 dreads, but they need different kit. You can have 3 squads of X wraiths, but you need different kit from unit to unit.

Stops spamminess if that is the problem?

And unit 1 will have 5 puris , 2 will have 6 and 3 will have hammer on the champ . each one different . or all will be 5 man but one will have a razor transport with AC other with hvy bolter and third with a las plas.
dread will have extra armor, no extra armor and a old one dread . 3 rifleman all different.etc etc

At the same time the most causal and for fun SoB player is now going because he only has clone units .

Some people forget to look at this from the "power gamers" point of view . You are more or less forcing the guy the buy a second army full of stuff he doesnt want [if he would he would have already bought it] , just to make it easier for your bad list to work . While at the same time claiming that he is "hardcore" and your in for the fun . If your playing it for fun , for casual time with a friend , then why does it bother you that he tables you with a normal army ?

Firstly, make sure that you are not alone in this feeling. Talk to the other members of your group.
Perhaps it is simply just you (meant in the most polite and non-confrontational way possible).

Second, Make sure that this is something that they also feel should be addressed.

Politely inform your friend that his way of making army-list conflicts with the expectations that you have, and that him continuing to build army-lists will lead to other people being preferred as opponents.
Acknowledge that he might not feel this way and respect his opinion that his army-lists aren't hardcore at all.
Tell him you understand his side of the argument, but that it won't change anything.

Then give the man a chance....

If nothing happens, make good on the "threat" and decline playing with him if you don't feel like it.

This, of course, assumes that his lists actually are "hardcore", and that this issue doesn't spring from simply being sore losers (and blaming whatever unit/units was perceived as causing the loss) or being unable to adapt to the way 6th works.

Perhaps an example of such a "hardcore" list might be in order, alongside a "casual" list perhaps?

Makumba wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Isn't one of the ways stop their being 2 identical units? So you can have 4 squads of purifiers, but they have to be armed differently. You can have 3 dreads, but they need different kit. You can have 3 squads of X wraiths, but you need different kit from unit to unit.

Stops spamminess if that is the problem?

And unit 1 will have 5 puris , 2 will have 6 and 3 will have hammer on the champ . each one different . or all will be 5 man but one will have a razor transport with AC other with hvy bolter and third with a las plas.
dread will have extra armor, no extra armor and a old one dread . 3 rifleman all different.etc etc

At the same time the most causal and for fun SoB player is now going because he only has clone units .

Some people forget to look at this from the "power gamers" point of view . You are more or less forcing the guy the buy a second army full of stuff he doesnt want [if he would he would have already bought it] , just to make it easier for your bad list to work . While at the same time claiming that he is "hardcore" and your in for the fun . If your playing it for fun , for casual time with a friend , then why does it bother you that he tables you with a normal army ?

Well I could most likely field really good lists as I play IG, but since we often play 2v2 and the player and codex levels are really apart how fun would it be if I end up with him. Some other friends have been thinking about quitting just becuase the games tend to get really one sided. It's also alot easier in a small meta to run things that are particualry good against other codexes and we see that alot too.

Sadly your comment about forcing him to buy stuff he doesn't want is quite wierd. It is perfectly fine to proxy stuff at home when playing for fun and it's really quite easy to field lists that are balanced or fluffy instead of specialized against the things he knows he will face. So to say that "powergamers" can't play casual is kind of stupid since there's always a choice and options to do it, especially if 75% of the players want it that way at this situation.


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Steelmage99 wrote:
Firstly, make sure that you are not alone in this feeling. Talk to the other members of your group.
Perhaps it is simply just you (meant in the most polite and non-confrontational way possible).

Second, Make sure that this is something that they also feel should be addressed.

Politely inform your friend that his way of making army-list conflicts with the expectations that you have, and that him continuing to build army-lists will lead to other people being preferred as opponents.
Acknowledge that he might not feel this way and respect his opinion that his army-lists aren't hardcore at all.
Tell him you understand his side of the argument, but that it won't change anything.

Then give the man a chance....

If nothing happens, make good on the "threat" and decline playing with him if you don't feel like it.

This, of course, assumes that his lists actually are "hardcore", and that this issue doesn't spring from simply being sore losers (and blaming whatever unit/units was perceived as causing the loss) or being unable to adapt to the way 6th works.

Perhaps an example of such a "hardcore" list might be in order, alongside a "casual" list perhaps?

The biggest issue is the spectra of the level and ability of the players tbh. This ofcourse impacts on the list building itself also. And since we all are friends we would like to to this kind of stuff together.

I mean in 5th edition I could field mass hydras and vendettas every time if I wished, but since I would pound the living hell out of at least one of the players it wouldn't be fun for him to experience that every time.

The problem is that we adressed this probably 20+ times in different ways and we even thought about stopping the games at home when 6th edition came out due to lack of inspiration from all but him. And even though we have tried to tell him this many times, everytime he comes back with another netlist that just isn't going to bring any fun moments for the ones who are struggling to keep up to competitive standards. Because of that I asked if people have any ides about forcing more balanced or casual lists, since he just can't stay out of netlisting all the time.

Force "narative" games. Write a short fluff story and force people to build their lists around that