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This is just...weird.


http://www.infowars.com/video-shows-tsas-bizarre-new-security-policy/
Video Shows TSA’s Bizarre New Security Policy


Federal agency tests drinks purchased inside airport

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Monday, September 3, 2012

A video clip shot yesterday at Columbus Ohio Airport illustrates how the Transportation Security Administration has dreamed up a bizarre new way to waste time and taxpayer dollars – by testing drinks purchased by travelers for explosives inside the airport long after they have already passed security.


The footage shows TSA agents walking around a departure lounge asking to test passengers’ drinks for explosive residue with a swab they hold over the liquid.

“Now remember that this is inside the terminal, well beyond the security check and purchased inside the terminal…just people waiting to get on the plane,” writes the You Tube user who uploaded the video.

“My wife and son came back from a coffee shop just around the corner, then we were approached. I asked them what they were doing. One of the TSA ladies said that they were checking for explosive chemicals (as we are drinking them). I said “really – inside the terminal? You have got to be kidding me.” I asked them if they wanted to swab us all. She responded with something like, ‘yes sometimes we need to do that’. I then asked if she wanted a urine sample…nonetheless, the TSA is way out of control,” he adds, joking that the TSA’s next move could be to visit people’s homes before they even leave for the airport (they’re already in the parking lot demanding to search people who aren’t even flying!)

As we have previously highlighted, the drinks policy was recently introduced with virtually no explanation from the TSA whatsoever. The much vaunted 2006 liquid bomb plot on which this nonsense is all based completely collapsed in court and was revealed to be farcical at best.
A d v e are t i s e m e n t
Experts have savaged rules relating to liquids being carried through security as pointless and unnecessary and yet they still remain in place six years later, with ludicrous cases routinely popping up of mothers having to drink their own breast milk or even pump it into empty bottles.

But this new rule applies to drinks purchased within the airport after travelers have already passed airport security, items that have presumably already had to pass some form of security check to be brought inside the airport in the first place.

The drinks testing farce has been accompanied by other harebrained TSA schemes which have virtually nothing to do with genuine security and everything to do with subjecting the public to intimidation and obedience training.

The federal agency recently brought in a similarly asinine new policy in which travelers are ordered to “freeze” on command by TSA screeners while passing through security – for no apparent reason other than to check they will obey orders without question.

Perhaps the TSA should concentrate on real security threats and cleaning up the behavior of their own criminally-prone employees instead of harassing travelers who have already been through the ordeal of a grope down or a radiation body scan.

Given the fact that TSA agents now festoon political events, highways and even prom nights, how long is it before we have blue-shirted goons in fast food restaurants checking whether or not our Diet Cokes are weapons of mass destruction?

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The best part of that article is that after opening with "A video clip shot yesterday at Columbus Ohio Airport illustrates how the Transportation Security Administration has dreamed up a bizarre new way to waste time and taxpayer dollars", you don't have to even read the rest of what they said. I like that sort of time-savings, when they let you know what you're going to get right in the lede.

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Oh yea the article is out there. The actual video (the video is attached) itself however is cooky.

Why are they randomly walking around "testing" drinks people are in the process of...drinking?

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Good question, no answer. Better speculation here, kinda.

I do believe that this was the plot of the Batman (1989) movie.

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 Ouze wrote:
Good question, no answer. Better speculation here, kinda.

I do believe that this was the plot of the Batman (1989) movie.

1989 Batman? in that case:


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Columbus Ohio Airport? Referred to as a proper name?

Good work, team.

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I couldn't say go feth yourself faster to them. This Security Theatre has gone too far. Also: Alex Jones is a putz.

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 AustonT wrote:
I couldn't say go feth yourself faster to them. This Security Theatre has gone too far. Also: Alex Jones is a putz.


So if you stand up and yell "WHATS THE FREQUENCY KENNETH!" and slam the drink frathouse beer shot style, then what?

"If we're too afraid to drink our daily 32 ounce gutbuster colas, then the terrorists have already won. "
-Huey Long.

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I like how Infowars claims a Nalgene was purchased inside the terminal.

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We are also talking about the same agency that thinks this is logical:

TSA: "Excuse me sir, you cannot bring your Pepsi past security"
Public: "Why not?"
TSA: "It could be a highly sophisticated liquid bomb."
Public: "That is terrible, anything for safety, how do we deactivate this dangerous and lethal device?"
TSA: "Please throw it in the trash with all the other dangerous liquid bombs".
Public: "God bless America, and thank you for your service. Let me polish your badge and shake your blue hand."

Please don't forget to purchase $4 20oz Sodas after you clear security, thank you for flying America today.
   
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I actually got pretty torqued a couple months ago at the airport, my seething hatred was especially reserved for the TSA. They installed those body scanners in Bozeman, MT at Gallatin Field; a known hot bed of terrorists and frequent target of terrorist attacks. I made them give me the rub and tug search. I don't think the TSA guy enjoyed it nearly as much as I did.

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Its possibly more sensible than it sounds, after the 2006 liquid bomb plot was foiled by MI5 there have been restrictions on fluids carried onto aircraft.

A natural progression would be to infiltrate passenger lounge vendor companies with jihadists and sell liquid bombs to specific passengers sold as shop stock, who would arm them with disguised detonators smuggled in hand luggage.

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Oh my irritation was actually related to food and drink prices after the gate. The rub down was more of a bonus.

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 AustonT wrote:
I actually got pretty torqued a couple months ago at the airport, my seething hatred was especially reserved for the TSA. They installed those body scanners in Bozeman, MT at Gallatin Field; a known hot bed of terrorists and frequent target of terrorist attacks. I made them give me the rub and tug search. I don't think the TSA guy enjoyed it nearly as much as I did.


They installed them in Oklahoma City as well. I always opt out with plenty of time to spare. Last time they tried to play the waiting game with me and made me stand next to the machine while they were trying to "find somebody" that could pat me down. After about 10 minutes the guy running the machine said "Are you sure you want to opt-out? If you go through the scanner you could already be at the gate." I just asked him "Are you delaying me on purpose in an attempt to prevent me from exercising my right to opt-out of the scan?" which shut him up pretty quickly and got a supervisor there to pat me down.

Add in the fact that all the back-scatter xray machines are now being replaced by millimeter wave scanners, which will cost a couple millions per airport in addition to storing all the now useless machines next to all the other failed experiments of the TSA, and it really just reinforces my feelings that TSA is a waste of money.


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 Orlanth wrote:
Its possibly more sensible than it sounds, after the 2006 liquid bomb plot was foiled by MI5 there have been restrictions on fluids carried onto aircraft.

A natural progression would be to infiltrate passenger lounge vendor companies with jihadists and sell liquid bombs to specific passengers sold as shop stock, who would arm them with disguised detonators smuggled in hand luggage.


So test the vendors and the tons of supplies they are able to bring into the airport on a daily basis, instead of grandmothers and babies.

But that would just make way too much sense.

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 AustonT wrote:
I actually got pretty torqued a couple months ago at the airport, my seething hatred was especially reserved for the TSA. They installed those body scanners in Bozeman, MT at Gallatin Field; a known hot bed of terrorists and frequent target of terrorist attacks. I made them give me the rub and tug search. I don't think the TSA guy enjoyed it nearly as much as I did.


They installed them in Oklahoma City as well. I always opt out with plenty of time to spare. Last time they tried to play the waiting game with me and made me stand next to the machine while they were trying to "find somebody" that could pat me down. After about 10 minutes the guy running the machine said "Are you sure you want to opt-out? If you go through the scanner you could already be at the gate." I just asked him "Are you delaying me on purpose in an attempt to prevent me from exercising my right to opt-out of the scan?" which shut him up pretty quickly and got a supervisor there to pat me down.

Add in the fact that all the back-scatter xray machines are now being replaced by millimeter wave scanners, which will cost a couple millions per airport in addition to storing all the now useless machines next to all the other failed experiments of the TSA, and it really just reinforces my feelings that TSA is a waste of money.


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 Orlanth wrote:
Its possibly more sensible than it sounds, after the 2006 liquid bomb plot was foiled by MI5 there have been restrictions on fluids carried onto aircraft.

A natural progression would be to infiltrate passenger lounge vendor companies with jihadists and sell liquid bombs to specific passengers sold as shop stock, who would arm them with disguised detonators smuggled in hand luggage.


So test the vendors and the tons of supplies they are able to bring into the airport on a daily basis, instead of grandmothers and babies.

But that would just make way too much sense.

@d-usa... I agree with you here...

I think they get a bad rap on this... maybe it's time to have a conversation as to what's "reasonable" for security.

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 Orlanth wrote:
Its possibly more sensible than it sounds, after the 2006 liquid bomb plot was foiled by MI5 there have been restrictions on fluids carried onto aircraft.

A natural progression would be to infiltrate passenger lounge vendor companies with jihadists and sell liquid bombs to specific passengers sold as shop stock, who would arm them with disguised detonators smuggled in hand luggage.


Also:

A natural progression of this would be to have x number of guys go to the airport with their 20oz liquid bombs and follow the TSA instructions to throw them away. If 10 bad guys do this you now have 200oz (or roughly 6 liters) of liquid explosives sitting in the trash can next to the TSA officers and right next to 500 passengers who are standing there in a very condensed crowd without shoes or belts while trying to juggle their belongings. Detonate the trash-can and instead of a 20oz bomb you now have a 200oz bomb that is detonating in a small area that is very tightly packed with people and filled with plastic trays that are also filled with keys, coins, electronics (aka shrapnel) and people will have a hard time running for safety while running barefoot across broken class and metal with their pants around their ankles.

Once you move past the delusion that it is all about taking down planes and realize that it is about killing people and making us scared, you truly realize how stupid our public anti-terrorism efforts really are.
   
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 d-usa wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Its possibly more sensible than it sounds, after the 2006 liquid bomb plot was foiled by MI5 there have been restrictions on fluids carried onto aircraft.

A natural progression would be to infiltrate passenger lounge vendor companies with jihadists and sell liquid bombs to specific passengers sold as shop stock, who would arm them with disguised detonators smuggled in hand luggage.


So test the vendors and the tons of supplies they are able to bring into the airport on a daily basis, instead of grandmothers and babies.

But that would just make way too much sense.


Actually it wouldnt make sense.

By holding a swab over an open bottle of liquid you can test it woithout causing undue concern.

To test unsold stock would involve sample testing, which is not as effective as testing all drinks bought on board. The more you test the less can be sold. You cant open a bottle of soda test it seal it and sell it. So you have to let a portion of stock through untested. So some would get through, besides there are plenty of smugglers tricks to ensure that tampered product out of a larger batch is less likely to be tested, and if you find any explosives it wont necessarily mean you catch the right people, you could 'catch' ordinary joes delivering bottles of soda to an airport shop.

Say "you" wanted to smuggle explosive drinks into the passenger area shops to be sold to suicide bombers. First get the drinks you want in on certain shipments, if the shipment is tested and delayed at all assume it's found out and shut down all operations. You need not even carry the can for the operation and there is no proof against your operatives working in the shops. Many shop workers will indeed be innocent. However chances are with all the soda being sold at a major airport your tampered shipment will get though ok. Fine now store it and make sure it isnt accidentally sold.

If the tampered stock gets through hide it on site until the right day then bring it to the sale counter hide it behind the counter and wait for the right customer. Do a switch when he brings his drinks over to the cash till. Its a straight switcheroo, unless your cash till is being watched all the time the switch should be easy to make. If thats too risky hold the stock in the stock room and bring it out from the stock door. Again security would need to watch the shop 100% of the time to catch the operative make the delivery.

The suicide bomber then takes the explosive drink onto the aircraft. As the authorities have 'wisely' removed the testing stations no further tests are made and the explosives enter the aircraft. So long as the Jihadists can find a way to make and conceal a detonator inside a pen or some such and have that pass inspection they can get a bomb onto the plane.

Sampling bottles at the boarding desk shuts that down neatly. To me its a sign that US Intelligence thinks that some airport shops may have been infiltrated by Jihadists. This is not unlikely airport shops are ordinary retail like any other, low end work often taken up by ethnic employees; getting some of the wrong Moslems to man a shop kiosk, or even manage the kiosk, wont be difficult.

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 AustonT wrote:
I actually got pretty torqued a couple months ago at the airport, .



.... annoyed or wound up one assumes yes ?


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 AustonT wrote:
I actually got pretty torqued a couple months ago at the airport, .



.... annoyed or wound up one assumes yes ?



AustonT wrote:Oh my irritation was actually related to food and drink prices after the gate. The rub down was more of a bonus.


Meh annoyed, but I get wound up about the TSA. They just rub me the wrong ways, and not just during my opt out.

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Is the TSA a jobs program at this point?

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Yeah, I always take the opt-out option, too. I've got no problems with a pat-down. And if I'm in a bad mood, I can always just ask the TSA if they're allowed to touch my groin during the pat down, and then ask them if they'd like me to give them consent to touch my groin, and proceed to leer at the guy giving the pat-down. It's not likely to make my day any worse, and there's no way it'll make their day any better.


But I do not understand this part:
Given the fact that TSA agents now festoon political events, highways and even prom nights, how long is it before we have blue-shirted goons in fast food restaurants checking whether or not our Diet Cokes are weapons of mass destruction?

Exactly how does that work?
   
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Which part, TSA on the streets? Or the restaurant thing.

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Is it wrong to thrust your pelvis forward while rolling your eyes back during the "special touch" part of the opt-out?
   
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AustonT wrote:Which part, TSA on the streets? Or the restaurant thing.

Uh, everything except the highway (technically, that makes sense)
   
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Mostly just hyperbole I assume. I suppose the FDA, USDA, and TSA. Could hook up for some really cool Gestapo antics. Thank God the TSA makes it so easy to paint as jackbooted thugs.

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 d-usa wrote:
Is it wrong to thrust your pelvis forward while rolling your eyes back during the "special touch" part of the opt-out?



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 Orlanth wrote:

Say "you" wanted to smuggle explosive drinks into the passenger area shops to be sold to suicide bombers. First get the drinks you want in on certain shipments, if the shipment is tested and delayed at all assume it's found out and shut down all operations. You need not even carry the can for the operation and there is no proof against your operatives working in the shops. Many shop workers will indeed be innocent. However chances are with all the soda being sold at a major airport your tampered shipment will get though ok. Fine now store it and make sure it isnt accidentally sold.

If the tampered stock gets through hide it on site until the right day then bring it to the sale counter hide it behind the counter and wait for the right customer. Do a switch when he brings his drinks over to the cash till. Its a straight switcheroo, unless your cash till is being watched all the time the switch should be easy to make. If thats too risky hold the stock in the stock room and bring it out from the stock door. Again security would need to watch the shop 100% of the time to catch the operative make the delivery.

The suicide bomber then takes the explosive drink onto the aircraft. As the authorities have 'wisely' removed the testing stations no further tests are made and the explosives enter the aircraft. So long as the Jihadists can find a way to make and conceal a detonator inside a pen or some such and have that pass inspection they can get a bomb onto the plane.


Or, if you have this awesome smuggling network, you could just stash a truck full of these under the approach path to a major airport and shoot down the plane. Once everyone realizes that there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop an attack like that once the missiles are in the country, commercial air travel comes to a sudden end. And of course if you can get some engineering graduates on your side, you can just build your missiles using off the shelf components for everything but the warhead. It's not like you need a complex guidance system or high-end speed and agility for your missile to hit an airliner flying low and slow in a straight line, so even 1950s technology will get the job done.

The fact that nothing like this has happened strongly suggests that the average religious fanatic isn't really above the level of shoving some crude explosives in his underwear, and the TSA's sole purpose is making people think that Something Is Being Done with their tax money.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:

Say "you" wanted to smuggle explosive drinks into the passenger area shops to be sold to suicide bombers. First get the drinks you want in on certain shipments, if the shipment is tested and delayed at all assume it's found out and shut down all operations. You need not even carry the can for the operation and there is no proof against your operatives working in the shops. Many shop workers will indeed be innocent. However chances are with all the soda being sold at a major airport your tampered shipment will get though ok. Fine now store it and make sure it isnt accidentally sold.

If the tampered stock gets through hide it on site until the right day then bring it to the sale counter hide it behind the counter and wait for the right customer. Do a switch when he brings his drinks over to the cash till. Its a straight switcheroo, unless your cash till is being watched all the time the switch should be easy to make. If thats too risky hold the stock in the stock room and bring it out from the stock door. Again security would need to watch the shop 100% of the time to catch the operative make the delivery.

The suicide bomber then takes the explosive drink onto the aircraft. As the authorities have 'wisely' removed the testing stations no further tests are made and the explosives enter the aircraft. So long as the Jihadists can find a way to make and conceal a detonator inside a pen or some such and have that pass inspection they can get a bomb onto the plane.


Or, if you have this awesome smuggling network, you could just stash a truck full of these under the approach path to a major airport and shoot down the plane. Once everyone realizes that there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop an attack like that once the missiles are in the country, commercial air travel comes to a sudden end. And of course if you can get some engineering graduates on your side, you can just build your missiles using off the shelf components for everything but the warhead. It's not like you need a complex guidance system or high-end speed and agility for your missile to hit an airliner flying low and slow in a straight line, so even 1950s technology will get the job done.

The fact that nothing like this has happened strongly suggests that the average religious fanatic isn't really above the level of shoving some crude explosives in his underwear, and the TSA's sole purpose is making people think that Something Is Being Done with their tax money.

As early as 2008 DHS publicized that commercial jets were being outfitted with jammers, it's not as visible as the TSA so maybe they abandoned the idea of actually doing something useful. At the time firm plans were in place to outfit 24 planes and claims were made that thousands of planes would get them. I have doubts that ever happened.
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