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This came up on a local tournament last weekend where I was in the position to make a sweep attack against a Vendetta with an overlord in a CCB.

The legality of this was disputed and I just asked for a snap decision to keep the game going since we were pressed for time.

You can not assault a zooming flyer, that much is clear. Sweep Attack on the other had is not an assault nor a charge and happens in the movement phase.

It a special ability of the chariot that allows me hit rolls over units I pass over in the movement phase.

Basically I can't find anything that says Sweep Attack would work on a zooming flyer.

What do you folks think?

Was the Vendetta zooming?

Were the CCB attacks snap shots?

Does the CCB have skyfire?

Units you pass over? Can you pass over a flyer? Is your Chariot flying?

Flyers have flying bases that suspend them above the
battlefield. However, distances are still measured to and from
the Flyer's hull, with the exceptions of the vehicle's weapons
and Fire Points, which all work as normal. The base of a Flyer is effectively ignored

yeah, I got 'pass over the model' as the player made a zooming sound as he slashed my Dakkajet at NOVA. Judge said go for it.

Feels like all non-flyers should not be able to go 'over' flyers.

And Skimmers move over all units when moving. So it would move over the Flyer model.

 Meade wrote:
Was the Vendetta zooming?

Were the CCB attacks snap shots?

Does the CCB have skyfire?

Doesn't matter...Most likely, as it has to if it's in flyer mode
Doesn't matter...it's in the movement phase and it's not a shooting attack
Doesn't Matter...see above.

Happyjew wrote:
And Skimmers move over all units when moving. So it would move over the Flyer model.

boooooooooooooooo! So I guess that means 'slash away'

nkelsch wrote:
yeah, I got 'pass over the model' as the player made a zooming sound as he slashed my Dakkajet at NOVA. Judge said go for it.

Feels like all non-flyers should not be able to go 'over' flyers.

And yet skyfire still hits skimmers as normal even though they're not flyers (yes it's in the rule, but still).

Seems silly to allow it, but there are lots of silly rules in the game.

It is similar to a tank shock and flyers are immune to those...

Kevlar wrote:
Seems silly to allow it, but there are lots of silly rules in the game.

It is similar to a tank shock and flyers are immune to those...

Only in the case of the monolith, since it's a skimmer AND a tank and large enough to contact the hull of the flyer. Otherwise, you show me a flying land raider and I'll show you the cheapest for-sale necron army ever.

Meh, it's not a shooting, assaulting or ramming attack (they should have made it a sort of ramming attack), so the only possible way out of this is by properly defining what 'passing over a unit' means. If that means the model itself, then yeah. If it means the base, maybe no.

My heart says no but I can't find a good explanation how you can't do this attack, ruleswise. That's too bad.

This is not a shooting attack but one made with a CC weapon strength and AP so skyfire is irrelevant.

This is not an assault. even though you get number of attacks based on the Attack characteristic so the no assaulting a flyer is irrelevant.

Skimmers move over all friendly and enemy models when moving so all talk about bases and elevation is irrelevant.

so CCB can smack up a zooming flyer still.

It may well be that designers at GW did not intend this when creating flyers but that is not what they have written in the rules. But until I get something solid to counter this or a FAQ this is how I will play it.

 Kevin949 wrote:

Kevlar wrote:
Seems silly to allow it, but there are lots of silly rules in the game.

It is similar to a tank shock and flyers are immune to those...

Only in the case of the monolith, since it's a skimmer AND a tank and large enough to contact the hull of the flyer. Otherwise, you show me a flying land raider and I'll show you the cheapest for-sale necron army ever.

Storm Ravens, Valkryies, and Night Scythes are all flyers and tanks. I'm sure there are some others. They can both zoom and perform tank shocks /rams, just not at the same time.

Valks are not tanks...

Kevlar wrote:
Storm Ravens, Valkryies, and Night Scythes are all flyers and tanks. I'm sure there are some others. They can both zoom and perform tank shocks /rams, just not at the same time.

Er, no, these are not tanks. It has to have Tank as the type just like Skimmer. Fast or Chariot and I'm pretty sure none of the above have that but the monolith does have Skimmer, Heavy and Tank.

All this is though getting pretty OT IMO.

The v1 rulebook FAQ states that it is not possible to Sweep Attack Zooming Flyers.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1490286a_40K_Rulebook_v1.pdf

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Thanks for your input folks.