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Is it?
That's your view.
And I just want you to think about this for a minute.
Humans: taken.
Undead robots: taken.
Daemons: taken.
Space Dwarves: don't exist.
Chaos: nope, taken.
Aliens with advanced technology: denied.
Fully psychic race: Erm, taken I believe.
Race of pleasure seekers: Dark Eldar, perhaps?
Extra-galactic aliens: oh, finally. An opening! Oh wait, those are Tyranids.
Genetically engineered humans: Spess Mahreens.
Wolves: Yup. Taken.
Do you see a pattern? Cause I certainly do.

 Mynameisalie wrote:
Is it?
That's your view.
And I just want you to think about this for a minute.
Humans: taken.
Undead robots: taken.
Daemons: taken.
Space Dwarves: don't exist.
Chaos: nope, taken.
Aliens with advanced technology: denied.
Fully psychic race: Erm, taken I believe.
Race of pleasure seekers: Dark Eldar, perhaps?
Extra-galactic aliens: oh, finally. An opening! Oh wait, those are Tyranids.
Genetically engineered humans: Spess Mahreens.
Wolves: Yup. Taken.
Do you see a pattern? Cause I certainly do.

Yes, there is no room for more races.

And you say there isn't room for another? One that does not fit the criteria above?
Another patter:
Communism. Communism everywhere.

Yes. There aren't really any open spots for a main race anymore.

Sorry, but I'm with Reaper on this one. Too many similarities with Eldar.

Large proportion of Psykers? Check.
War With Daemons? Check.
Hates Chaos? Check.
Gods openly oppose the "Big four", but are powerless to oppose them on a large scale? Check.
Psychic trinkets that are utterly vital to their psychic use? Double check.
Speed over strength and armour? Yup, check.
Aspect, caste, or other divisional system for specialising roles within society? Oh yeah, it's there.
Odd alliances (seriously, these utterly Xenos cat people worship the Emperor? For no apparent reason? Buddies with the Harlies, who they happened to "find" in the Webway?) Yup. It's there.

Dude, just play them as counts as Eldar. Seriously, just do that. You're already halfway there.

No.
I.
HATE.
ELDAR.
I will literally do this solo instead.
Actually, yes, I'll do it solo. Thanks for the help guys, I'll get back to you in 3 months or so.

 Mynameisalie wrote:
No.
I.
HATE.
ELDAR.
I will literally do this solo instead.
Actually, yes, I'll do it solo. Thanks for the help guys, I'll get back to you in 3 months or so.

3 months later;

"Guys, I made my race even better! Here's the title!"

Codex: Eldar

And my point is proven.

 Mynameisalie wrote:
And my point is proven.

Your race is Eldar but with Cat face?

Dude, I'm really not one for shooting down people's ideas. You know I've contributed to this thread with ideas. We gave you good ideas, ideas you could work with, to make a good book.

But seriously, the direction you're following isn't a good one. It's flawed, doesn't fit the fluff well at all, and smacks of the same OTT Mary-Sue rubbish that's been posted ten thousand times before, by other people with other ideas.

You've made progress. Good progress. But you're not there yet. You evidently want help, and your persistence is to be admired. But seriously, carrying on in this vein is a bad idea.

Write it like this if it will make you happy. But don't expect everyone else to like it - don't expect anyone else to like it. Because we've seen it all a thousand times before, and the outcome is always the same.

No, you're a troll.
Thank you for your co-operation.
Sorry joshi, blood not you.

Alie, to a point, he's right.

And you might be surprised what I can turn it into. You never know. Where others fail, one will make a breakthrough.

Now. I'm sorry, but I have to go. It's 11 pm over here and I have school.

 Mynameisalie wrote:
And you might be surprised what I can turn it into. You never know. Where others fail, one will make a breakthrough.

You've done far worse than others, you refuse criticism and are far to monolithic to change.

I'm with Reaper. Again. You've done ok-ish. But not exactly brilliantly.

If this open warfare continues I feel a lock coming..

Dude, lock's been imminent for about five pages.

Have to say, I'm more than a little tempted to try and redeem this race somewhat.

 liquidjoshi wrote:
Dude, lock's been imminent for about five pages.

Have to say, I'm more than a little tempted to try and redeem this race somewhat.

The wild Wolf/beast in space idea seemed OK, it could work with some effort I imagine.

Well, If you see a Lynx thread with my name on the OP, you'll know what to expect.

 liquidjoshi wrote:
Well, If you see a Lynx thread with my name on the OP, you'll know what to expect.

Cool.

It could be a small race, part of a Codex: Allies I'd say.

Yes. Not big enough to have it's own codex really.

EDIT: Dis post may be interpreted as rude, as I'm preemptively giving myself a warning. Apologies to anyone offended.

I've already said this:

Just let me complete the codex first. Then I can make changes after. Most of it is not even written yet, and you guys aren't going to get what this race is like until I have it done. So be patient. Let's just leave this thread alone for a while, and I'll post when I've finished it.

Deal?

Wait, so you're refusing to accept new ideas until after you've already written the Codex?

Brainstorming comes first, writing second traditionally.

Since when have I displayed even the remotest interest in writing tradition?

Just be patient. I have taken into account pretty much everything on pages 4-8, which is mainly where the actual discussion was going on.

I wil get the full fluff out, possibly with some bestiaries and maybe the Wargear section, if I can be bothered to write it at the moment.

 Mynameisalie wrote:
Since when have I displayed even the remotest interest in writing tradition?

Is that supposed to be a serious answer?

In my honest opinion, you are rather stubborn. Both Josie and LL along with everybody else, like Demetrius and even Reaper with his edging criticism, are giving you exactly what you wanted. Feedback.

Feedback is not always nice. Feedback is not: I agree with you and I think you have done an awesome job on everything. Feedback most of the times is cruel. So take the suggestions, think about them and decide. The fact that someone disagrees with you does not mean that he/she thinks that your work so far is trash.

I see plenty of people here spending their time reading your work and commenting on it. If they have thought there was no potential in it or if it was trash they would never even comment it.

Now that I am done with that.

The looks, the history and everything is pretty good. But, reaper is right that they do like a lot like Eldar. So you have to start throwing things out if you don't want them to be like Eldar.

Examples:
The whole tribal race sound very nice, at least to me. Keep it. mix it with wanderlust and a small fleet after their destruction of their world by the forces of chaos. Now add that the ruling class is actually fooled by a daemon of Tzeentch who pretends to be a benign entity and slowly corrupts them; and there you go have some grimdark.

This way:
- explains the goddess that you are so keen about
- keep the chaos hate that you want with a little twist on the side
- explains the psychic abilities without crystals/jewels etc
- makes them a small race fighting to survive

Now for their OOT attributes I think you have some pretty solid ideas from the rest of the posts.

Personally i think this could work but you need to be a bit more open minded. There are no other major players in the Warhammer 40k Universe. But you can definitely make a small player with an impact

Just my 0.02 $

 Mynameisalie wrote:
Since when have I displayed even the remotest interest in writing tradition?

Just be patient.

Be patient?

We've been patient, you haven't. You think your ready to start the race off now, but you aren't, you've started a race that needs massive changes, and has no real place in 40K at the moment.

Bobakos, thank you. I just want to point out the race isn't entirely psychic. Thank Joshi for that.

And I just thought I'd mention this. At the back of the codex there will be an acknowledgement section for everybody who contributed to the codex in a major way. So far I have:
Demetri
LoneLictor
Bobakos
Joshi
Reaper
P.M. Me if you think you have made several contributions and should go on the list. To everyone who is already on there, you have been a great help and whilst we may have had disagreements, you certainly have changed this race for the better. My sincerest thanks to you!
Reaper, you too. Your blunt and utterly unstaunchable flow of criticism has given me great compassion to finish this codex

MUST FINISH TO ANNOY BLOOD REAPER