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 Formosa wrote:
Read fear to tread ladies and gents, if Choas wanted the nids gone... there would be no nids, imagine a world in the largest hive fleets path, now imagine the nids sending billions of warrior organisms down to said planet, now imagine the Deamons start popping up all over the planet and taking out the nids at will, now the planet decides to join the fight..literally, and starts "fireing mountains" at the command ships and popping them... nids literally dont stand a chance if chaos decides there a threat.

Tyranids have developed immunity to chaos incursions. Shadow in the Warp.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Read fear to tread ladies and gents, if Choas wanted the nids gone... there would be no nids, imagine a world in the largest hive fleets path, now imagine the nids sending billions of warrior organisms down to said planet, now imagine the Deamons start popping up all over the planet and taking out the nids at will, now the planet decides to join the fight..literally, and starts "fireing mountains" at the command ships and popping them... nids literally dont stand a chance if chaos decides there a threat.

Tyranids have developed immunity to chaos incursions. Shadow in the Warp.

?? that not true at all, I know about the "hordes of deamons flee before the shadow" thing, but immune... well we know thats not true as art and fluff have had Deamons fight the nids, but thats a moot point, as even if they were immune, they are not immune to being hit in the face by a mauntain

 Formosa wrote:
?? that not true at all, I know about the "hordes of deamons flee before the shadow" thing, but immune... well we know thats not true as art and fluff have had Deamons fight the nids, but thats a moot point, as even if they were immune, they are not immune to being hit in the face by a mauntain

Immunity to chaos incursions. It prevents them or their food from using so much psychic power that it'll tear a hole in between realms and have denizens of the warp invade right on top of them.

I'd like to see an endless tide of ig vs nids

 LumenPraebeo wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
?? that not true at all, I know about the "hordes of deamons flee before the shadow" thing, but immune... well we know thats not true as art and fluff have had Deamons fight the nids, but thats a moot point, as even if they were immune, they are not immune to being hit in the face by a mauntain

Immunity to chaos incursions. It prevents them or their food from using so much psychic power that it'll tear a hole in between realms and have denizens of the warp invade right on top of them.

Hmm cant say i have seen this either anywhere, as it would effectivly stop Deamons ever being able to enter a system that Nids are in, and we know thats not true.

Chaos is the perfect tool to fight the nids, how can you adapt to pure chaos ?

Orks are the only ones really. Necrons have a good chance of killing them in the long run cause if they lose the first battle they wouldnt be adding all that much to the tyranids. Chaos is close second cause nids cant eat chaos altered flesh( Read that somewhere where chaos genes were to badly messed up and is poisonis to the tyranid race as a whole.
All the other races cant really lose the first battle or else the tyranids Might have moved beyond defence capabilities. Only race that can really mach them in Numbers Almost everytime is the orks!!! WAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!

If you kill enough of them, the Tyranids will stop coming, if only momentarily.

willhman wrote:
Necrons have a good chance of killing them in the long run cause if they lose the first battle they wouldnt be adding all that much to the tyranids.

No race adds much biomass to Tyranids. They're not there to eat the defenders. They're there to eat the planet. Everything. The defenders on the planet are completely insignificant compared to what they take from the planet itself.

 -Loki- wrote:

willhman wrote:
Necrons have a good chance of killing them in the long run cause if they lose the first battle they wouldnt be adding all that much to the tyranids.

No race adds much biomass to Tyranids. They're not there to eat the defenders. They're there to eat the planet. Everything. The defenders on the planet are completely insignificant compared to what they take from the planet itself.

Unless you're Orks, which can reseed planets and give even more fuel to the Tryanids. Scary to think of the endless cycle Orks vs. Tyranids that is possible. Carnivores vrs Omnivores with guns.

 -Loki- wrote:

No race adds much biomass to Tyranids. They're not there to eat the defenders. They're there to eat the planet. Everything. The defenders on the planet are completely insignificant compared to what they take from the planet itself.

That sums it up pretty nicely. The total amount of mass of any defenders is insignificant next to the sheer amount of biomass available from flora and fauna, and then the actual topsoil and any usable mineral deposits. That is why in the background, any major victory against the Tyranids has involved a space component, whereby the Tyranid ships themselves are defeated. Otherwise, ground forces are almost doomed to lose a battle of attrition as Tyranids are digesting and reproducing using a planet's biomass continuously during a campaign, whereas a human takes many years to grow to maturity, and a human requires weapons that require manufacturing facilities. Tyranids can extract some value however small from biomass, which means even things like dirt and uninhabited wilderness will have some value to them whereas other races still ultimately rely on strategic deposits of resources and can make little use of wasteland or wilderness.

Pretty mutch anybody could beat the tyranids in a "straight fight". The problem with the tyranids is that the imperium has just met the tip of the iceberg. There are to many tyranids.

 Formosa wrote:
Read fear to tread ladies and gents, if Choas wanted the nids gone... there would be no nids, imagine a world in the largest hive fleets path, now imagine the nids sending billions of warrior organisms down to said planet, now imagine the Deamons start popping up all over the planet and taking out the nids at will, now the planet decides to join the fight..literally, and starts "fireing mountains" at the command ships and popping them... nids literally dont stand a chance if chaos decides there a threat.

Chaos has lost virtually every major encounter with the Tyranids. Forgefane and Sybaris are the main examples; where chaos forces with vast armies of daemons, over a thousand chaos space marines, and millions of cultists get curbstomped in short order. Forgefane laughed off Ork Waaaghs, Imperial Crusades, Eldar strikes, and rival Chaos attacks, but a splinter fleet of Leviathan destroyed it in a week with ease. Chaos lacks the unity, the discipline, the numbers (the mortal followers of Chaos that is), and the firepower to deal with the Tyranids. Really, on the grand scale of things, Chaos is insignificant compared to the Necrons, Tyranids, and Orks. The only reason that the Imperium has yet to crush Chaos is that they're busy on other fronts.

Let's think about this in resources terms. Chaos has far less holdings than the Imperium and so has fewer bodies to throw into the meat grinder. The forces of Chaos are short changed when it comes to industrial capacity, their manufacturing base is simply atrocious; forcing them to rely on incredibly ancient or stolen equipment with little ability to replace losses of materiel. The forces of Chaos have no unity, even Abaddon can't hold their attention for a black crusade for very long before the warlords start splintering in every which way to pursue their own agenda, and all end up getting crushed piecemeal, any attempt at a unified strike against the Tyranids would collapse in short order as the various warlords of Chaos end up stabbing each other in the back to try and assert leadership while the lower downs split off to raid and pillage strategically pointless targets. The forces of Chaos lack motivation; by and large the followers of Chaos are selfish cowards who would rather cut and run when things look bad rather than try to take down as many of the enemy with them.

If Abaddon tried to launch a black crusade right at the main Tyranid advance the result would be the Black Crusade taking years to go through the warp, in which time half the fleet breaks off to do the military equivalent of chasing after butterflies while another portion is lost to internecine struggle for Abaddon's favour and Abaddon's trigger happy way of dealing with subordinates he doesn't like, and then when they get there; another portion takes one look at the numbers they're put up against and decides "Screw the will of the gods, I wanna live!" Then flee back to the eye of terror, while the remainder gets slaughtered to a man. Once word gets out that Abaddon died, the Chaos Space Marines will proceed to self destruct in the all out civil war that ensues over who gets to be Warmaster.