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Hi, I am a beginner. Please bear with me!

In a 40K organization like this:

Compulsory: 1 HQ, 2 troops.
Optional: 1 HQ, 4 troops, 3 Elites/FA/HS

I understand in the compulsory category, I need to have exactly 1 HQ and 2 troops. But in the optional category, do the numbers indicate minimum or maximum? For example, I need to have a minimum of 1HQ and 4 troops, 3 eltites, 3 FAs and 3 HS? Can I have, for example, 4 HQs, 2 troops, 3 elties, 5 FAs, and zero HS?

The Force Org chart is a maximum. The optional indicates how many you MAY take. With one you cannot exceed 2 HQ, 6 troops, 3 FA, etc.

Your final army may have any count in a range from 1-2 HQ, 2-6 Troops, 0-3 Elite, 0-3 FA, 0-3 HS.

If it were a minimum, then it would also be called compulsory. As it's not, they're not.

Much clearer now! Thank you!

Can I have 2 identical HQs, e.g. 2 Lord Draigos in a game? Or they have to be different?

Is it legal to have the 2 opponents from the same army? e.g. Grey Knight vs Grey Knight?

Also can more than 2 opponents participate in a game? e.g. SM vs Tyranids vs Chaos vs Necrons, each of which fight independently?

You can have two of any unit (unless it specifically forbids you from taking a copy in your codex), but you can only have one of any special character. Two Draigos is a no-go for a GK army, but two senior officers for guard or two mechboyz for orks is just fine.

You can play mirror matches, yes. Justifying it fluffwise isn't always easy, though. Unless you're GK, in which case the other side is a foul Heretic/Traitor/Xeno and it's your job to cleanse them.

Yes, you can do 2v2's how you choose to set it up is up to you. Usually it's customary to have, say, 2,000 point games where both people on a team bring a legal 1,000 point list and then you just sort of stick them together in the same deployment zone.

Alternatively, you could have, say, a 1850 point game where one person brought a 1,000 point list, and the other snuck onboard as an ally as per 6th ed ally rules.

Thanks Allaro!

Based on what you said I guess it's always a two sided match, 3 or 4 sided match is illegal then.

Strictly speaking, yes, but it's really not that hard to have a 2v2. Just follow all the normal rules, and treat the combined armies on either side of the table as using the "battle brothers" rule.

Thanks!

white knight wrote:
Is it legal to have the 2 opponents from the same army? e.g. Grey Knight vs Grey Knight?

No. This is actually a crime, punished by up to 20 years in prison. If the only other player has the same army that you do, it's much better to just not play the game at all.

Also can more than 2 opponents participate in a game? e.g. SM vs Tyranids vs Chaos vs Necrons, each of which fight independently?

It sounds like you're asking a different question than the one that has been answered. If by "fight independently" you mean a four-way free-for-all, then no, it doesn't really work, at least without causing a lot of problems that you'll need to work out your own rules for. And since you're just starting the game and don't understand it well enough to write your own rules, you should just stick to playing games with two sides.

Also, other than the minimum/maximum FOC slots, none of the stuff you've mentioned is "illegal", nobody is going to punish you if you and your opponent agree to do something that isn't technically supported by the rules. The only problem you will run into is that sometimes the rules can't handle a certain situation, but that just means you need to come up with a solution, not give up entirely. For something like playing with the same army on both sides there's nothing that won't function properly, so no reason to consider it "illegal".

Hi Peregrine. Yes, that's what I mean by fighting independently. It sounds like it's not officially supported.