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Hi i need help working on esclation lists for a thing comming up this is the first draft i have. I need help strenghting it

1250 list: total 1249
csm lord 145
mark of slannesh
combi-wepon
daemon weapon of slannesh: blissgiver

fabius bile- 160

metal chosen- 194
5 meltas
8marines
rhino- 35

csm 1-
9 marines
1x meltas
champion
pw
rhino- 35

csm2
9 marines
1x plasma
champion
pf

havoc squad- 215
2 autos
2 missles
8 marines
champion


aeigis defense line -100
quad cannon
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1500 list total 1499
csm lord 145
mark of slannesh
combi-wepon
daemon weapon of slannesh: blissgiver

fabius bile- 160

metal chosen- 194
5 meltas
8marines
rhino- 35

csm 1-
9 marines
4 ehanced marines
1x meltas
champion with ehancement
pw
rhino- 35

csm2
9 marines
4 ehanced marines
1x plasma
champion with ehancement
pf

havoc squad- 215
2 autos
2 missles
8 marines
champion

land raider-220

aeigis defense line -100
quad cannon
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1750 list total: 1750
csm lord 145
mark of slannesh
combi-wepon
daemon weapon of slannesh: blissgiver

fabius bile- 160

metal chosen- 194
5 meltas
8marines
rhino- 35


metal chosen- 194
5 meltas
8marines

csm 1-
8 marines
4 ehanced marines
1x meltas
champion with ehancement
pw
rhino- 35

csm2
9 marines
7 ehanced marines
1x plasma
champion with ehancement
pf

havoc squad- 215
2 autos
2 missles
8 marines
champion

land raider-220

aeigis defense line -100
quad cannon

Hey pal.

Chosen don't need rhinos. Rhinos are, in my opinion, more of a hold-back for CSMs now. I would also change their meltas to plasmas to take advantage of the new overwatch and rapid fire rules. IF you don't do that, then the CSM units need to take Plasmaguns.

I would double check the Enhanced Warriors rule.

What is the purpose of the champion in the havocs?

The HQ is a GOOD setup. Try and keep him like that, and with Combi-Plasma.

 Brometheus wrote:
Hey pal.

Chosen don't need rhinos. Rhinos are, in my opinion, more of a hold-back for CSMs now. I would also change their meltas to plasmas to take advantage of the new overwatch and rapid fire rules. IF you don't do that, then the CSM units need to take Plasmaguns.

I would double check the Enhanced Warriors rule.

What is the purpose of the champion in the havocs?

The HQ is a GOOD setup. Try and keep him like that, and with Combi-Plasma.

The havoc champion is the just in case i need his ld of 10

I have a learning disability and i dont know how to interpret the ehnaced rules properly it seem like i can just pay for a couple enhancements

Im goign to be facing a lot of av 13/14 meltas just seem more effective even with overwatch snapfire restrictions i get at least three melta hits every time. I still need rhinos to get them where they need to go.

Fair enough man, here's my take on LD champs on havocs: If someone does 25% and you have to take a morale check, you're probably combat ineffective at that point with only 5 men to begin with. He is 15pts better spent elsewhere!

Regarding Fabius Bile- If I remember correctly, you pay according to how many models are in a unit. So, a ten man unit would be Xpts per model. I think it's a mandatory upgrade for every model in the unit, if at all. Give it another solid read (I could be wrong, I admit!)

You're luckier than I am with Overwatch, my friend.

 Brometheus wrote:
Fair enough man, here's my take on LD champs on havocs: If someone does 25% and you have to take a morale check, you're probably combat ineffective at that point with only 5 men to begin with. He is 15pts better spent elsewhere!

Regarding Fabius Bile- If I remember correctly, you pay according to how many models are in a unit. So, a ten man unit would be Xpts per model. I think it's a mandatory upgrade for every model in the unit, if at all. Give it another solid read (I could be wrong, I admit!)

You're luckier than I am with Overwatch, my friend.

Well if that is the case ill just swtich out the enchancements for something else and use fabius just for his rod of torment. yeah im lucky with the small guys...

His bopping stick is certainly good for making things "Go to sleep"

I modified the 1500 and 1750 lists

1500 list total 1499
csm lord 145
mark of slannesh
combi-wepon
daemon weapon of slannesh: blissgiver

fabius bile- 160

metal chosen- 194
5 meltas
8marines
rhino- 35

csm 1-
9 marines
1x meltas
championpw
rhino- 35

csm2
9 marines
1x plasma
champion pf

havoc squad- 245
2 autos
2 missles
10 marines
champion

land raider-220

aeigis defense line -100
quad cannon
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1750 list total: 1749
csm lord 150
mark of slannesh
melta bomb
combi-wepon
daemon weapon of slannesh: blissgiver

fabius bile- 160

metal chosen- 194
5 meltas
8marines
rhino- 35


metal chosen- 194
5 meltas
8marines

csm 1-
8 marines
4 ehanced marines
1x meltas
champion with ehancement
pw
rhino- 35

csm2
9 marines
1x plasma
champion pf

havoc squad- 245
2 autos
2 missles
10 marines
champion

land raider-220

aeigis defense line -100
quad cannon