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The context of 'Army' in the GK codex means GK Army. This does not include allies, as they are not mentioned in the GK rules.

 DeathReaper wrote:
The context of 'Army' in the GK codex means GK Army.

In 6e this is no longer the case, despite assertions otherwise.

They have added errata for a lot of "context" sensitive issues.

Army still means the same as it did in 5e. Your army list.

Not part of it.

Codex Trumps BRB.

Army, in context of the GK book, means GK army list.

Allies are not affected because that part does not conflict with the codex, but for the purposes of special rules army, in the GK book, means GK army.


Plus if you look at the other FAQ's they are slowly changing them all to reflect that special rules only affect units from Codex (Whatever)

Example Blood Angels The Sanguinor, Aura of Fervour rule:

"Page 51 – The Sanguinor, Aura of Fervour.
Change first sentence to read: “All friendly units chosen from
Codex: Blood Angels within 6" of the Sanguinor (except for the
Sanguinor himself) have +1 Attack”

 DeathReaper wrote:
Codex Trumps BRB.

Army, in context of the GK book, means GK army list.

Allies are not affected because that part does not conflict with the codex, but for the purposes of special rules army, in the GK book, means GK army.


Plus if you look at the other FAQ's they are slowly changing them all to reflect that special rules only affect units from Codex (Whatever)

Example Blood Angels The Sanguinor, Aura of Fervour rule:

"Page 51 – The Sanguinor, Aura of Fervour.
Change first sentence to read: “All friendly units chosen from
Codex: Blood Angels within 6" of the Sanguinor (except for the
Sanguinor himself) have +1 Attack”

(It used to read "...Choose one sergeant in your army...").

You first line is again telling; there is no conflict for codex to trump.

Your last bit also shows they are changing wording to match 6e, and yet did not do so for this "issue".

The conflict is in the BRB's definition of 'Army'

 DeathReaper wrote:
Codex Trumps BRB.

Army, in context of the GK book, means GK army list.

Allies are not affected because that part does not conflict with the codex, but for the purposes of special rules army, in the GK book, means GK army.


Plus if you look at the other FAQ's they are slowly changing them all to reflect that special rules only affect units from Codex (Whatever)

Example Blood Angels The Sanguinor, Aura of Fervour rule:

"Page 51 – The Sanguinor, Aura of Fervour.
Change first sentence to read: “All friendly units chosen from
Codex: Blood Angels within 6" of the Sanguinor (except for the
Sanguinor himself) have +1 Attack”

Kirsanth beat me to it, but there is no reason to trump. There is nothing in conflict.

Sure there are always FAQs for some and not all, this is how GW has always done them. This may be FAQ'd it may not. ATM it is legal, and valid.

 DeathReaper wrote:
The conflict is in the BRB's definition of 'Army'

So you keep positing.

I still do not read anything backing that, however.

Implication is certainly there - as you said it was written before this mattered.

But there is a conflict, and it is not legal, or valid.

 DeathReaper wrote:
The conflict is in the BRB's definition of 'Army'

Where's the definition of "your army" in the codex?

 DeathReaper wrote:
But there is a conflict, and it is not legal, or valid.

I can play that too.

No. There is not a conflict, it is legal and valid.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
The conflict is in the BRB's definition of 'Army'

Where's the definition of "your army" in the codex?

 DeathReaper wrote:
[In this post that I made in this thread.

There is the conflict

 kirsanth wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
But there is a conflict, and it is not legal, or valid.

I can play that too.

No. There is not a conflict, it is legal and valid.

See above for the conflict. I have already posted rules showing the conflict, any rules to the contrary?

Sorry DR,

After looking in the GK Codex I have failed to find a definition of "your army" therefore I must and will use the one's given to us in the BRB

You posted something showing that choosing part of your list from Codex: Grey Knights creates a Grey Knights army.

You have yet to post anything that shows that adding another army to that army is no longer your army.

Which 6e now allows.

Wait, I thought you could only target Battle Brothers with special rules within your "army'. Did i miss something?

Happyjew wrote:
Wait, I thought you could only target Battle Brothers with special rules within your "army'. Did i miss something?

"- Are not counted as friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers" PG 112 BRB

Nope,

Might have just missed a bit? ^^

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Happyjew wrote:
Wait, I thought you could only target Battle Brothers with special rules within your "army'. Did i miss something?

"- Are not counted as friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers" PG 112 BRB

Nope,

Might have just missed a bit? ^^

Again, the paragraph above that bullet point list lists those as merely being examples. That list of three myopic points is supposed to be non-exhaustive.

Just to chime in, they (GW) have tried (admittedly not hard enough) to clearly note what works/doesn't work on allies and so forth in your army.

For example, Blood Angels might bring a group of Space Marines as allies but even being battle brothers Blood Chalice will 'only work on Codex: Blood Angels models.' Furthermore it seems that the only things that affect 'Battle Brothers' are powers/effects/abilities not restricted (like the Blood Chalice). Warlord Traits and psychic powers.

It seems like this same logic can be imposed here as well.

 Jstncloud wrote:
Just to chime in, they (GW) have tried (admittedly not hard enough) to clearly note what works/doesn't work on allies and so forth in your army.

For example, Blood Angels might bring a group of Space Marines as allies but even being battle brothers Blood Chalice will 'only work on Codex: Blood Angels models.' Furthermore it seems that the only things that affect 'Battle Brothers' are powers/effects/abilities not restricted (like the Blood Chalice). Warlord Traits and psychic powers.

It seems like this same logic can be imposed here as well.

This is true and I understand where your logic comes from.

That said though there is no FAQ for this, so atm it's both legit and legal.




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 daedalus wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Happyjew wrote:
Wait, I thought you could only target Battle Brothers with special rules within your "army'. Did i miss something?

"- Are not counted as friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers" PG 112 BRB

Nope,

Might have just missed a bit? ^^

Again, the paragraph above that bullet point list lists those as merely being examples. That list of three myopic points is supposed to be non-exhaustive.

Exactly ... they used the example of abilities in the battle brothers, but did not include it here.

I know they're examples but Copy and Paste is way easier than Copy and Paste, backspace a bunch.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Sorry DR,

After looking in the GK Codex I have failed to find a definition of "your army" therefore I must and will use the one's given to us in the BRB

you must have missed the P.81 quote:

"The following army list enables you to field a Grey Knights army..." P.81

The army list in the GK book constitutes an 'Army'

you fielding a grey knights army = your army. There is your definition unless you choose to ignore it.

Also on P.81, Army list entries section 2nd sentence: "More information about the background and rules for the Grey Knights and their options can be found in the Army of Titan section..."

This tells us that this codex only has rules for the Grey Knights.

 DeathReaper wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Sorry DR,

After looking in the GK Codex I have failed to find a definition of "your army" therefore I must and will use the one's given to us in the BRB

you must have missed the P.81 quote:

"The following army list enables you to field a Grey Knights army..." P.81

The army list in the GK book constitutes an 'Army'

you fielding a grey knights army = your army. There is your definition unless you choose to ignore it. show me where it defines "your army"

Also on P.81, Army list entries section 2nd sentence: "More information about the background and rules for the Grey Knights and their options can be found in the Army of Titan section..."

This tells us that this codex only has rules for the Grey Knights.

After reading that through and through a couple of times, nowhere does it define "your army" It tells you how to field a Grey Knight army though. Which is changed by the fact you may use allies. In which case the only time "your army" is used is in the BRB from what I can find.

Now stop trying to mix and match words that are similar. The Codex does not define "your army" In fact I don't even see it mention those words.

How about you try to not ignore the Context?

The GK book says "The following army list enables you to field a Grey Knights army..." P.81

You fielding a Grey Knights army = your army. Linguistically this is true.

 DeathReaper wrote:
How about you try to not ignore the Context?

The GK book says "The following army list enables you to field a Grey Knights army..." P.81

You fielding a Grey Knights army = your army. Linguistically this is true.

You fielding an army made up of 18 Dreadnoughts all in socks ='s your army. Linquistically true and just as wrong

If you bring linquistics into it than we'll all argue over simple meanings and terms more than we actually do.

Such as.

the power states a unit in your army.

Codex GK does not define your army so we have to assume that your army is the army you are in control of ( the models ) ( the mini's) (etc)
This would include allied models, because to say they're not your army would be a blatant lie. We can't break the rules and you can't say that my allied models are not in my army as they pelt you in the face with Melta Goodness

Stop ignoring context.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Stop ignoring context.

Stop adding words that aren't there.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
Stop ignoring context.

Stop adding words that aren't there.

I am no adding anything.

"The following army list enables you to field a Grey Knights army..." P.81

Do not ignore the context of that line.

 DeathReaper wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
Stop ignoring context.

Stop adding words that aren't there.

I am no adding anything.

"The following army list enables you to field a Grey Knights army..." P.81

Do not ignore the context of that line.

I'm not but than again I'm not just fielding a GK army.

I'm fielding a GK army with an Allied Detachment "my army"

That said The rule reads "units under his command"

Now that it's not only my army, but a GK army. Of course their under his command.

and allies are not "units under his command" as GK's treat allies as enemy units.

 DeathReaper wrote:
and allies are not "units under his command" as GK's treat allies as enemy units.

yes, except it doesnt say I can't target them with Abilities, just Psycic powers.

That does not mean that allies are "units under his command"

 DeathReaper wrote:
That does not mean that allies are "units under his command"

They are allied to a GK army, of which is your army and your main Detachment is GK.

I think that fits the bill rather nicely.