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2012/09/15 16:21:30
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Automated Space Wolves Thrall
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Which chapter to you think the blood ravens successed from?
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2012/09/15 16:47:05
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Death-Dealing Ultramarine Devastator
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There are several possibilities:
BA, Da, and Raven Guard based on the chapter symbol. BA also for colours.
TS because they have lots of psycers and mentions from BL books such as 'A Thousnad Sons'.
Imperial Fists because they apparently have some of Dorn's weapons.
There is a whole section on TS links on the lexicanum page: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Ravens
My personal preference would be Thousand Sons, just because they are my favourite pre-heresy army and I really enjoy their fluff.
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2012/09/15 16:51:20
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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The Blood Ravens have a lot of everyone's weapons...
They collect them like that.
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2012/09/15 16:58:09
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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Popular theory is that they're a loyalist successor chapter of the Thousand Sons, their history kept hush-hush by the inquisition.
Wait, how did they get ahold of Dorn's fist weapon?
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2012/09/15 17:12:07
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Blood Angel Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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TS is my favorite explanation. All the connections are there, and if they ever decide to go into the ancient backstory it would make for an excellent tale imho
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2012/09/15 17:27:32
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Death-Dealing Ultramarine Devastator
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According to Lexicanum they have Rogal's Fist, but the page has no information, so have always taken that one with salt.
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DarknessEternal wrote:Christianity; Jesus may have had some ideas, but Paul made it popular.
Omegus wrote:It's hard to fight a guy when your nipples are daemons.
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2012/09/15 18:10:52
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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 Viersche wrote:Popular theory is that they're a loyalist successor chapter of the Thousand Sons, their history kept hush-hush by the inquisition.
Wait, how did they get ahold of Dorn's fist weapon?
Theft. They also happened to "find" a bolt pistol next to a dead inquisitor once.
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2012/09/15 18:56:43
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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 purplefood wrote:The Blood Ravens have a lot of everyone's weapons...
They collect them like that.
 So they are a guild of thieves?
It was ok when they were new in DoW 1. Then a certain author happened...
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2012/09/15 22:31:33
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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 1hadhq wrote: purplefood wrote:The Blood Ravens have a lot of everyone's weapons...
They collect them like that.
So they are a guild of thieves?
It was ok when they were new in DoW 1. Then a certain author happened...
Not really.
A large portion of the supposed "relics" that the Blood Ravens have were actually crafted by the Blood Ravens for the Chapters in question, but were either refused or lost and recovered at some point.
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2012/09/16 01:27:14
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Guelph Ontario
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If you're not too squeamish about Rule 34 afflicting some of the pages, you should check out 1d4Chan for more info about the Blood Magpies, at least in regards to their kleptomania.
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2012/09/16 01:49:17
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I like the concept that after 10,000 years and a troubled history/gene-seed mutations, not even they know the answer to that.
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My Armies:
5,500pts 
2,700pts 
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2012/09/16 10:02:09
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Fixture of Dakka
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It's one of those things where there is a lot of disagreement over it.
Relic, for example, who created the Blood Ravens have said nothing specific at all. The only thing that they have really hinted about is that they come from a chaos legion.
The Goto books all but outright say they come from the 1000 Sons.
There are references in McNeil's 'A 1000 Sons' to a 'raven of blood.' Stealing from the lexicanum because I can't be bothered searching my book.
"The Ravens. I see them too. The lost sons and a Raven of blood. They cry out for salvation and knowledge, but it is denied!"
It also is strongly implied that the 1000 Sons story 'Rebirth' in Age of Darkness is about the rebirth of the 1000 Sons as the Blood Ravens.
However. Aaron Dembski Bowden very strongly dislikes the concept of the Ravens being 1k Sons, to badly paraphrasing them, "My chapter secretly came from chaos is like something every 12 year old does for his homebrew chapter."
There's also a rather blunt facebook post from him:
" You won't be seeing any more "The Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons" hints anywhere outside of THQ game. Take that however you will."
And incidentally, I don't think the 1000 Sons have ever been mentioned by name in the Dawn of War games. Unlike the Word Bearers...
As a Blood Ravens player, I for one like the concept of them being 1000 Sons successors, not really for the Blood Ravens benefit but for the Sons. It grants that nice little hope spot for them.
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2012/09/16 13:47:06
Subject: Re:what are blood ravens?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Again, what bugs me is why they haven't been squashed ? Their chaptermaster and half of the legion went to chaos, which the worms from Inqusition seem to overlook...(like kill the chaptemaster, then is all ok)
And I agree with the ADB totaly ( my hero,always)...and I think that they are random xxx chapter who are made from mixed genepool(they are not the first) for the dawn of war games...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/09/16 18:26:35
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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The Blood Ravens and the mystery of their origins exist to teach the usefulness of Dakka's search function.
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2012/09/16 21:42:57
Subject: Re:what are blood ravens?
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Jovial Junkatrukk Driver
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Although truly heretical, the Thousand sons (*spits*) theory seems plausible.
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2012/09/17 09:40:09
Subject: Re:what are blood ravens?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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 DarthMarko wrote:Again, what bugs me is why they haven't been squashed ? Their chaptermaster and half of the legion went to chaos, which the worms from Inqusition seem to overlook...(like kill the chaptemaster, then is all ok)
Probably the same reason the Grey Knights never mind-wiped the Blood Ravens after Kronus, where they fought alongside the Blood Ravens. Either Guilliman made arrangements (he was gathering loyalist survivors) or the Blood Ravens are an experiment to see how far Traitor Legion loyalists can go - somehow, the Blood Ravens (assuming they are Thousand Sons, which I believe they are) seem to be hanging on so far.  Compel wrote: However. Aaron Dembski Bowden very strongly dislikes the concept of the Ravens being 1k Sons, to badly paraphrasing them, "My chapter secretly came from chaos is like something every 12 year old does for his homebrew chapter." There's also a rather blunt facebook post from him: " You won't be seeing any more "The Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons" hints anywhere outside of THQ game. Take that however you will."
Who cares what he says? IIRC, it was Graham Mcneill who wrote A Thousand Sons and Chris Wraith who wrote Rebirth, so his opinion doesn't really matter unless you actually care.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/09/17 17:09:30
Subject: Re:what are blood ravens?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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 Tadashi wrote: DarthMarko wrote:Again, what bugs me is why they haven't been squashed ? Their chaptermaster and half of the legion went to chaos, which the worms from Inqusition seem to overlook...(like kill the chaptemaster, then is all ok)
Probably the same reason the Grey Knights never mind-wiped the Blood Ravens after Kronus, where they fought alongside the Blood Ravens. Either Guilliman made arrangements (he was gathering loyalist survivors) or the Blood Ravens are an experiment to see how far Traitor Legion loyalists can go - somehow, the Blood Ravens (assuming they are Thousand Sons, which I believe they are) seem to be hanging on so far.
First of all, Dark Crusade came out before "A Thousand Sons" or any of the Horus Heresy bits. So you're just trying to force your own personal narrative to explain away the events of a lackluster expansion pack fit fluff that came out years later.
Second of all, the Blood Ravens are far from "hanging on so far". The only reason that they were not purged is that the Chapter's Loyalists redeemed themselves by putting an end to the traitor faction within.
Compel wrote:
However. Aaron Dembski Bowden very strongly dislikes the concept of the Ravens being 1k Sons, to badly paraphrasing them, "My chapter secretly came from chaos is like something every 12 year old does for his homebrew chapter."
There's also a rather blunt facebook post from him:
" You won't be seeing any more "The Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons" hints anywhere outside of THQ game. Take that however you will."
Who cares what he says? IIRC, it was Graham Mcneill who wrote A Thousand Sons and Chris Wraith who wrote Rebirth, so his opinion doesn't really matter unless you actually care.
Uh, his opinion matters because of the fact that he's on the Horus Heresy writing team.
McNeill reportedly caught a lot of flak for the answer that he continually gets quoted on and which led to the penning of "Rebirth", which was meant to add a bit more mystery back into the Thousand Sons because of the hamfisted job that McNeill did with that stupid prophecy that people like you continually point to as "proof positive!" that the Blood Ravens are Loyalist Thousand Sons ignoring everything else that makes it far more likely that the prophecy is referring to the Drop-Site Massacres.
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2012/09/17 23:45:00
Subject: Re:what are blood ravens?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Second of all, the Blood Ravens are far from "hanging on so far". The only reason that they were not purged is that the Chapter's Loyalists redeemed themselves by putting an end to the traitor faction within.
Isn't that what 'hanging on' means?
... stupid prophecy that people like you continually point to as "proof positive!" that the Blood Ravens are Loyalist Thousand Sons ignoring everything else that makes it far more likely that the prophecy is referring to the Drop-Site Massacres.
"Ah yes, KANLUWEN. We have dismissed this claim."
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/09/18 05:02:32
Subject: Re:what are blood ravens?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Tadashi wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
Second of all, the Blood Ravens are far from "hanging on so far". The only reason that they were not purged is that the Chapter's Loyalists redeemed themselves by putting an end to the traitor faction within.
Isn't that what 'hanging on' means?
Sure. But what you're not comprehending is that the Blood Ravens would have been purged, had they not put an end to the traitor faction they had within their Chapter.
... stupid prophecy that people like you continually point to as "proof positive!" that the Blood Ravens are Loyalist Thousand Sons ignoring everything else that makes it far more likely that the prophecy is referring to the Drop-Site Massacres.
"Ah yes, KANLUWEN. We have dismissed this claim."
- the Citadel Council
Ah yes, memes. When someone cannot actually refute what is said and has to resort to silly shenanigans to try to make themselves look intelligent.
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2012/09/18 05:09:27
Subject: what are blood ravens?
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Freaky Flayed One
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The Blood Ravens are obviously Teh emperahs fureh!
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2012/09/18 05:55:05
Subject: Re:what are blood ravens?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Kanluwen wrote: Ah yes, memes. When someone cannot actually refute what is said and has to resort to silly shenanigans to try to make themselves look intelligent.
Seeing as you've already closed your mind on the matter, I too have every right to close my mind to your...reticence.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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