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So, I read that Tzeentch is the God of Ambition, Hope and the desire for change. Nurgle is the opposite; he's the god of fear, dread and stagnation. So, what motivates Nurgle to attack the Imperium? Why do the Death Guard take part in the Black Crusades?
   
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Well, all CSM take part in Black Crusades to bring down the Imperium just because they hate it. They swore oaths to tear it down and rule over the remains.

Nurgle specifically, I imagine, wishes to spread his pestilence across the galaxy.

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Good question...maybe bringing plague and death and crushing IoM so that they can't prosper....

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To earn glory in the eyes of their god.

They have been “blessed” with immortal bodies that don’t feel pain. You can’t expect them to just sit around watching TV all day.


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The follwers of Nurgle, whilst wracked with plague and infection, are also immune to disease, and live for a very long time. Nurgle is a god of the cycle of life and rebirth, so he is more likely to resurrect his follwers should they die. Also, unlike the other gods, Nurgle truly loves his children, so those who have been abandoned and rejected by society turn to him.

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The Death Guard were effectively blackmailed into the service of Nurgle. Their ships were trapped in the warp and infected by the Destroyer Hive, the only escape being submitting to Nurgle.

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But why does Nurgle want to tear down the Imperium? I mean, what's his motivation? That would be a change, and he doesn't like change. I think he'd want to keep the Imperium standing (which is kinda stupid).
   
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Nurgle thinks his plagues and diseases are gifts, gifts he wants to spread to everyone. He isn't inherently evil, he is just deluded into thinking that his plagues are a good thing, and that to be infected is a blessing and almost a treat.

He doesn't hold any particular ill will towards any of the mortal races. But with humans being so populous, the chance to spread his plagues and death among them, is too tempting to pass up.

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 LoneLictor wrote:
But why does Nurgle want to tear down the Imperium? I mean, what's his motivation? That would be a change, and he doesn't like change. I think he'd want to keep the Imperium standing (which is kinda stupid).

You could say that about most of the Chaos Gods though.

Bare in mind that Chaos is not a monolithic entity, even within each gods' followers. Some followers of Nurgle might despise the Imperium and seek its downfall, some may prefer to simply spread their god's love.

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Nurgle took their despair and morbidity and turned it into a sense of purpose by spreading his glory. They seek to infect the galaxy in Nurgle's name.

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 Harriticus wrote:
Nurgle took their despair and morbidity and turned it into a sense of purpose by spreading his glory. They seek to infect the galaxy in Nurgle's name.


This. Also, different followers of Nurgle focus on certain aspects of their patron God. Some focus on his aspect of decay and disease, while others might focus on the inevitability and finality of death. Same thing with worshipers of Tzeentch, where some focus on mutation and others on magic. A Slaaneshi worshiping might focus on certain forms of excess (greed, lust, gluttony, etc.). Even Khornate worshipers, as single-minded as they might seem, revolve around certain aspects of the Blood God. Some focus on just killing indiscriminately, while some adhere to the concept of martial prowess and honor in their fighting.


The Chaos Gods want to destroy the Emperor so that they can make their way into realspace and make the Materium just as the warp is; a foul reflection of their malign will. They hate the Emperor, and by extension the Imperium, because the Emperor is the only thing keeping them from breaking the wall between the Warp and the Materium completely.

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Nurgle is the most directly involved with the plights of mortals, particularly humans who suffer so acutely from a fear of death, perhaps the oldest fear of that species.

While Nurgle is the God of death and decay, to be certain, he is also the God of rebirth. After all, decay is simply one part of the cycle of life, without which no new life could grow. In the same way, Nurgle is also the God of perseverance and survival.

I'd say that followers of Nurgle are motivated by the fact that they simply don't want to die or are afraid of death/illness, there would be no better way to survive than worship a god who not only can prevent your death or prolong your life to nearly infinite levels.

Imagine people suffering from terminal or uncurable illnesses, I imagine these kinds of people would turn to Nurgle in an attempt to save themsleves, after all as mentioned, a fear of death, especially one that you couldn't prevent with traditional medicine or even medical science would probably be enough to drive a person to worship Nurgle.

Just my thoughts though.

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You cant really be sure about anything when it comes to chaos.
Also i wouldnt think all choas space marines can do whatever they want, a lot of them are probably controlled by the dark gods in one way or the other.
So if Typhus says "were going to join the black crusade" most of them would have no choice but to do so.

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Another reason is spreading "life". With every death of a human comes the new life of thousands of maggots, flies and other insects as well as millions of bacteria and viruses. As Nurgle is divorced from reality he sees little difference between the life of a maggot and the life of a human or any other life for that matter.

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Sorry I actually didn't study the original post that well, so my previous answer is a bit stupid / out of context

In terms of attacking the imperium, I'd say to invite fear to the common populace which could convert more followers and to spread 'life' as Vodo40k has mentioned.

Although I've always found the concept of Nurgle a bit strange in terms of its relationship to the imperium. As far as I'm aware the Imperium itself since the heresy has been stagnating/decaying, common people terrified by all the malign dieties and xeno's, I'd always figured Nurgle would have been happier with keeping the Imperium a stagnant, fear filled realm of his own volition really, rather than trying to destroy it and the emperor per say. Although it does make sense that he wants the emperor truly dead so that the material realm can become like the warp and become more of an extension of his will.

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What have we discovered then? Nurgle is actually a benevolent god, who loves each and every one of us, and the empire are heretic's, trying to deny his wonderful blessing's upon us. No wonder the follower's of nurgle hate the empire!

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 LoneLictor wrote:
But why does Nurgle want to tear down the Imperium? I mean, what's his motivation? That would be a change, and he doesn't like change. I think he'd want to keep the Imperium standing (which is kinda stupid).


Nurgle looks forward to the downfall of civilizations and the crumbling of their empires.

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Evileyes wrote:
What have we discovered then? Nurgle is actually a benevolent god, who loves each and every one of us, and the empire are heretic's, trying to deny his wonderful blessing's upon us. No wonder the follower's of nurgle hate the empire!

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Side effects of following nurgle include:
-nausea
-excessive corrosive vomiting
-spontaneously turning into a plague bearer
-boils growing on your armor
-sudden craving of body parts including, but not limited to, brains
-having names carved onto your capillery systems
-extreme bleeding
-and in severe cases mutating into a 25 foot tall morbidly obese hellspawn that uses it's own intestines as whips and has strange urges to hug everything.


Ask your doctor if nurgle is right for you!

On a serious note, I've always wanted a nurgle army, But my loyalist side refuses to let me....

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Nothing in the codices suggests that Nurgle has any particular interest in the Imperium or for that matter, any particular interest in doing anything other than spreading disease and developing the perfect pestilence.

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Good question, I have no idea.
Other than getting really sick...... Yeah I am out of ideas.

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Survival.

Nurgle is a strange one. Yes, he's the god of decay, dread and death, but he is also the god of resilience and survival. It makes sense I guess; The longer you live, the more you suffer and the more you dread.
In fact, the more you resist his "gifts" the stronger the resultant plague bringer will be.

Why do you think his followers tend to be tougher than usual? Because he is the god of resilience.

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Nurgle revels in the fear of death, in slow decay, in corruption of the physical form, and grants the boon of eternal life, freedom from pain, and a constant state of stagnation and rot. Thus I would imagine turning the majority of the humans in the galaxy into zombies would be a good reason to invade the Imperium - can't have all this hustle and bustle, constant commerce and construction. Better that everyone staggers around rotting and moaning for eternity, while the pitiful survivors try to avoid the plague.

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Immortality I think?

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