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What tactics seem to have the most success with nobsin 6th edition? Just nobs mind not bikers!

Haven't played a unit of Nobz since FAQ 1.1.

You now need a boss in there otherwise the painboy is vunerable to challenges, as he is the only character. You can always refuse but losing his attacks hurts.

I don't think they are worth their points anymore.

Alternatives are:

-MegaNobz, 2+ is better now but with no invun their a bit fragile
-FlashGitz, bit better now but probably still not worth it, either they kill lots or nothing in my experience, never troops
-Bikes, doing well in 6th (t5 is nice)
-Boyz, shootas not choppas this edition

But to get back on topic if I was to run Nobz I would stick them in a b/w and jump out just in front of enemy lines and get into close combat, maybe with something a bit weaker than before the FAQ, and a hell'uva lot weaker than back in 5th.

CHeers,

David.

I ran 10 nobz this weekend that did well in 2 games, but got annihilated by Thunderwolf Calvary by the end of Turn1 in game 3.

They need a boss with them for the leadership, I simply got overrun. Also a squad of 5-7 should do rather than the 10 I was running, make it a little more affordable.

Cheers from what i've seen of them a squad of six with klaws looks like the best loadout in 6th but yet to give it a shot

^^ bit pricey and strikes last, I used to run:

2 pk (1 with boss pole), 4 big choppa, PainBoy.

The important thing above is the PainBoy, fnp is gold. Remember a boss pole too.

edit: oh ye..... and Waargh! Banner

Equipping all your nobs with pk's is far too expensive.

I run 6; 2 with pk's, 3 with bc's, and a painboy. Bosspole, Waaagh banner etc naturally included.

They've changed from a hammer unit to a countercharge/support unit that needs to use LOS blocking and movement now more then its dead killyness. but if played correctly still pretty fearsom on the table.

 Kharrak wrote:
Equipping all your nobs with pk's is far too expensive.

I run 6; 2 with pk's, 3 with bc's, and a painboy. Bosspole, Waaagh banner etc naturally included.

This is what I do as well. I tend not to include the Waaagh! Banner though unless I know I'll be going up against Marines. Most of the time I'm playing against Nids, Tau, or Eldar.

Good point on challenges with the Painboy, but it's pretty much a no-brainer to have the Painboy refuse the challenge.

Challenges suck across the board for Orks. The opponent issues the challenge, and either we have to decline because we don't want the Nob leader to die, or we have to accept, and all our Warboss's or Nob's Power Klaw attacks are wasted on one Sergeant. It's a lose / lose situation for the Orks no matter what.

Do you guys find it worth it to put 'eavy armor on the nobs or does FNP and cybork work just fine?

People complain a lot about meganobz not having an invo, but I don't see the problem. They usually come in a wagon, and the wagon has a kff big mek nearby. The only thing in the game i can think of thats s8+ ap2 and ignores cover is a deathstrike. That leaves cc. The only things s8+ ap2 that strike faster than i1 are dccw. Even then they are usually only 3a models, and squash easy with a deffrolla. The only unit they really need to be scared of is th/ss termies.

Murrdox wrote:

 Kharrak wrote:
Equipping all your nobs with pk's is far too expensive.

I run 6; 2 with pk's, 3 with bc's, and a painboy. Bosspole, Waaagh banner etc naturally included.

This is what I do as well. I tend not to include the Waaagh! Banner though unless I know I'll be going up against Marines. Most of the time I'm playing against Nids, Tau, or Eldar.

Good point on challenges with the Painboy, but it's pretty much a no-brainer to have the Painboy refuse the challenge.

Challenges suck across the board for Orks. The opponent issues the challenge, and either we have to decline because we don't want the Nob leader to die, or we have to accept, and all our Warboss's or Nob's Power Klaw attacks are wasted on one Sergeant. It's a lose / lose situation for the Orks no matter what.

The Waagh! Banner is the single most powerful piece of equipment on the nob mob, never, ever skip it. WS5 means that any other WS5 unit just lost 16% of their hits, considering that most WS5 units have tons of attacks, thats an imense boost in survivability. Against any WS4 the extra point results in more attacks hitting, if you bought 2 PKs you get an additional PK hit for free. Also don't underestimate the leap in survival against WS2 (most of the tau army), getting hit on 5+ allows you to pull of multi-charges without the fear of accidently losing your very expensive models. Boosting your entire units defense and offense for just 15 points is such a great bargain(especially on a 300+ point unit), don't lose out on it.

schadenfreude wrote:People complain a lot about meganobz not having an invo, but I don't see the problem. They usually come in a wagon, and the wagon has a kff big mek nearby. The only thing in the game i can think of thats s8+ ap2 and ignores cover is a deathstrike. That leaves cc. The only things s8+ ap2 that strike faster than i1 are dccw. Even then they are usually only 3a models, and squash easy with a deffrolla. The only unit they really need to be scared of is th/ss termies.

Agree, with most weapons going up to AP3 or more 2+ armor really doesn't require an invulnerable save to back it up anymore.

3rd time agree. MANz are the gak now. And like said, the things that could ID or/and are AP2 are rare, which means their 2W will keep them in the fight 9 times out of 10.

Kinda surprised to see love for meganobs. I always thought they were terrible based on their stats. That said, if you ignore their shortcomings and focus on their strengths, they are a pretty awesome deal. Heck, the klaw alone on those guys is 25pts.

I may try proxying my normal nobz as them sometime and see how they do. No idea what I'll do if they prove awesome though. A single meganob is 20 bucks. A unit of 6 is worth the same as a couple of battlewagons, which is insane money wise. Maybe I can convert some with plasticard...

Yea, thats why people just make their own MANz, GW is out of their fething minds on the cost of them


But yes, they were actually always pretty decent, but in 5th, Nobz were just better. But now that Nobz lost their only saving grace (doing the wound-hop dance) and power weapons being AP3, well, now MANz are out front. Personally, Ive liked sticking them in trukks or wagons, though trukks get them their faster, and sticking them in reserve or behind a building for a few turns. Then, when everything is in combat or hiding, or ducking for cover or whatever, zip the out to the front lines and tear some gak up. Opponents hate it when mid to late game, a fast moving trukk dumps a few perfectly healthy MANz in their laps.

I think Nobz got a decent boost with the changes to FNP as well. I used them against Nids for the first time this weekend and they ran pretty well.

I play against Nids so much unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to work Meganobz into my army anytime soon. With all MCs able to do a Smash attack at AP2, it's just instant-death across the board for MegaNobz.

It would be ID for Nobz as well.

It might just be me but I really don't like regular nobs at all. The question is, why wouldn't you make them nob bikers? You could say they're more expensive but really nobs have to be put in a battlewagon and it's fairly even until you get into 6+ mobs. That's fine though for +1 toughness, a decent twin linked ranged attack, 4+ armor save, and 4+ cover save, and at the end of the game battle wagons are long gone while bikers still have bikes to turbo around for last second objective claims.

Call me crazy but I think i'd rather have Flash Gitz over regular nobs but my list is very shooty anyway heh.

who cares if you lose the painboy attacks, its a unit of nobz...with ws5 and 3 base attacks. Unless you are fighting 20 terminators you should have enough PK attacks to clean house of any enemy that can reasonably throttle you.

 KingCracker wrote:
It would be ID for Nobz as well.

Very true, but at least normal Nobz will get their Cybork save. Mega Nobz will just die. I actually wish I was playing against other armies where it would actually make sense for me to take Mega Nobz!

Smash halves their attacks, so if you charge them, they don't actually gain anything over just punching nobz regularly besides a higher standard deviation on their casualties. Besides, sacrificing 40-80 points for an almost guaranteed kill of a monstrous creature is still a pretty good trade.

Yeah any nob worth his teef should be able to punt a MC into next week, especially with a few PK's and a good WAAAGH banner backing them up.

Still kind of sad my regular nobs are now kind of worthless. Think there's still a way to make them work? All I can think of is either shove a 10 man squad in a battlewagon (keeping most of them cheap with just CB and a big choppa for an unholy amount of S7 hits) or keeping a smaller unit to hide in amongst a gunline. Other than that, it really seems like there's nothing to help them stand out against Meganobs and Biker nobs.

Which sucks, because I don't own those two yet. That said, I really like the idea for kombiflamers on all the nobs. That's maybe 20 to 40pts for your average unit to get all of em kombiflamers, and on the one turn you use it, it's pretty much guaranteed to make the points back. Plus it could bail you out against a 30 strong boyz mob, nid horde, or a guard blob. You basically have a T5, 2 wound, Burnaboy unit that can ride around the board shooting stuff with a +4 up cover save. Yeah they only have it for one turn, but usually that's all you would get anyways.

With vehicles now being hit on 3+, two klaws tear appart about any vehicle in the game, except those that big choppas can't hurt anyways. That is, if all those S5 choppas didn't grind it to dust before. So I'm no longer spending points on big choppas.

My unit looks something like this now:

PK, BP, W! Banner, Combi-Skorcha
PK, BP, Combi-Skorcha
5x Choppa, Slugga
Pain Boy, Cybork

Just make sure to keep the PKs in the middle of the mob

But hold up, Nobs with Choppas are str6 - str7 on the charge... not str5.

Not that that really changes your point, though

I personally like to keep the choppas in - though interestingly it seems statistically you're getting the same amount of wounds against MEQ, since the extra attacks vs extra strength tend to weigh themselves out - so I suppose Big Choppas find their use more so against opponents with higher toughness.

Choppas != Big Choppas
Nobz with choppas are always S5 against a vehicle.

 Jidmah wrote:
Choppas != Big Choppas
Nobz with choppas are always S5 against a vehicle.

Doh!

Yea, a bone stock nob can really put out the attacks on the charge. I used to run heavy on those when I first started Orks. But hell, I dont even use Nobz anymore, unless they are MANz or in a boyz mob