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Can't say for playthrough 1, but the new expansion is quite a challenge on TVHM, especially with 4 players. Cursed Pirates are obscene.

So far, it's pretty easy for my guy who just finished pt1. I think I'm 37.

How do you get to the new island? Downloaded it but I can't find any new mission for it or anything. I have a 37ish zero on 2nd playthrough that just made it to sanctuary and did a the first few missions there. Also tried making a new character from scratch and haven't seen any mention of it yet.

Oasis is in your fast travel list.


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It works just like the Island and others worked in BL1.

Hmmm, I reached the Caustic Caverns on pt1, and sorta just... crashed. Not in the literal "effing game just froze" sense, but in the "this place is crushing my soul" sense.

Even at lvl 20, doing a side-quest 5 levels below me, it's an annoying enough place to almost convince me to just leave it and come back when I've completed pt1.

yeah, I hated the caustic caverns too. not going to be doing any side missions there at all next time around.

Yeah, that place has a nasty habit of ambushing you you threshers and badass varkids.
Did I mention that I hate Varkids?

I managed to fight through it, but I missed the minecraft part because it was probably somewhere off the beaten track, and I wasn't doing any more than I had to.

yeah, I hated the caustic caverns too. not going to be doing any side missions there at all next time around.

I won't either, far too much trouble.

Yeah, that place has a nasty habit of ambushing you you threshers and badass varkids.
Did I mention that I hate Varkids?

I've got a seething hatred for Varkid now, as well as Threshers, like the Wormhole ones which magically time their wormholes just as you're expending your last shot and having to reload. You're left fumbling with the reload or cycling maniacally through your equipped weapons to find one to use before you die.

I also want to include a special mention for my Lancer turret, without whom I would have long packed up and left the Caverns. I love ya, baby!

 Avatar 720 wrote:
You're left fumbling with the reload or cycling maniacally through your equipped weapons to find one to use before you die.

As a side note, I tend to keep a rocket launcher on one equip just for FFYL.

 pretre wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
You're left fumbling with the reload or cycling maniacally through your equipped weapons to find one to use before you die.

As a side note, I tend to keep a rocket launcher on one equip just for FFYL.

Funny thing, even though it's rather annoying to listen to after awhile, I keep the Bane with me for situations like wormhole threshers. You're not going anywhere anyways, so you may as well take advantage of its high damage. Either that, or fire weapons do a good job of killing them off.

Does anyone else besides me HATE fighting ratmen? Especially the mutated Rats.

I love my wall mart rocket launcher i have its just so satisfying to reload and watch it sore into the big blue yonder and peg the odd rakk if im lucky

Heheh. Yeah, I have a 'Bonus Launcher' that I got with a golden key. Great for my lowbie alts and hilarious when you get an extra 'shot' out of a reload.

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When you get up to 50, you have points enough to "double dip" and essentially do a double tree build.

Excelent! thanks for that tidbit

I use fire weapons for wormhole threshers.. I set em on fire and then duck behind a rock so they can't suck me in, when the fire wears off I duck back out and then rinse & repeat

I enjoyed the Caustic Caverns...
Lab Rats are the worst enemies ever...
That stare attack they have is horrific...

I accidentally dropped my emergency purple rocket launcher so that I could pick up a new skin (stupid that you can't hold down pick-up and auto-activate) and I think the walls of this tunnel have eaten it, since it's not there to pick back up...

Ugh, that sucks.

What're people using for a Gaige build? I started with the chaos thing but find myself accidentally reloading a lot.

Ive been doing the little big trouble tree ( i think thats the name of the one for elemental effects....) so far its made deathtrap an unstopable force! Which has saved my arse on multiple ocasions and gotten me many a second wind!

 pretre wrote:
So far, it's pretty easy for my guy who just finished pt1. I think I'm 37.

Single or multiplayer? On TVHM with four level 50's the mobs are really nasty.

Finished the DLC today with a friend of Aldarionn's on TVHM.

It was pretty freaking sweet.

 Ahtman wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So far, it's pretty easy for my guy who just finished pt1. I think I'm 37.

Single or multiplayer? On TVHM with four level 50's the mobs are really nasty.

Single. And I'm playing on the first playthrough, so mobs are 30-35 so far.


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I just swapped over to Gaige's first tree for a little bit. We'll see how that goes.

purplefood wrote:I enjoyed the Caustic Caverns...
Lab Rats are the worst enemies ever...
That stare attack they have is horrific...

Lab Rats are the devil. At range, they throw maniac pizza cutters, and close up they have a scream that annihilates you in a single hit. Jesus Christ, I am not looking forward to fighting them on TVHM, which I'm part way through at the moment. My Mechromancer is level 41.

pretre wrote:Ugh, that sucks.

What're people using for a Gaige build? I started with the chaos thing but find myself accidentally reloading a lot.

My Gaige is 41, and until last night I was using this build which worked relatively well with the class mod I have. BFF is a strong tree for leveling up and it makes Deathtrap into a murderous rage machine, but at level 50 I plan to run a BFF/Ordered Chaos build, so I thought I would try out Anarchy now to get the hang of it, so I just switched to this build. Next level I will get Discord which will be the primary focus of the build. Note that on that link, there is a problem with one of the talents. Blood Soaked Shields is actually a 5 point talent, not a 1 point talent, so the 3 points I have shown in Pre-Shrunk Cyberpunk are actually in Blood Soaked Shields. The level 50 build will look like this except the 4 points in Typecast Iconoclast would be in Blood Soaked Shields. The general idea is to balance Anarchy stacks with Discord to constantly maintain health regen and a damage buff with minimal accuracy penalties offset by Close Enough.

I posted a few builds for Gaige that I've been considering on a previous page but at the time I did not realize Blood Soaked Shields was actually 5 points, so the Anarchy builds would be different. If I don't like the Ordered Chaos tree I will probably just go back to BFF/LBT for massive electricity damage. Most of this is just temporary though until I get the legendary class mod dropped by Terramorphous. The skills on that mod will determine my final build.

As a side note, does anyone actually know the stats on that mod? Kanluwen?

Cool, thanks, A. I'm only level 11, so I have a while to go.

To start I would put 4 points in Close Enough, 1 point in Cooking Up Trouble, then 1 point in Buck Up and the rest in Fancy Mathematics. That will give you a strong foundation to work with, and lend some survivability to your character as you level up. Take Upshot Robot at the earliest possible level, and unstoppable force to finish off that tier. It's one of the best talents in the tree unless you can get shield regen through some other means.

When do Lab Rats start becoming trouble? I've never actually been attacked by one yet; none has ever lived to get very close to me.

When there are multiples and enough other enemies to distract you from them for long enough for them to get close.
Also every now and then i get unlucky and one spawns behind me and stares at me straight away...

I don't know what the mod for Mechromancer is, Ald. Eddie should, I think he has a few of them.

Ah, that'd explain why I've never had any trouble with them. Lancer turret = "what 'other enemies'?"

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When do Lab Rats start becoming trouble? I've never actually been attacked by one yet; none has ever lived to get very close to me.

The ones you see early in the game are not troublesome. They don't get bad until you end up fighting them out in Lynchwood. The ones out there were hell, even though I out leveled them considerably.

As a side note, I found the Mechromancer Slayer of Terramorphous class mod, and I am a bit diappointed with it.

All four of the other class mods improve tier 1 skills from all three trees, meaning you can spend 5 points and receive full benefit of the mod regardless of what tree you intend to use as your primary, and you can specialize in any one of the three trees and still have enough points left over to get all of the skills on the mod. Assuming you do a two-tree build like most people, you have to at most spend 4 extra points on top of talents you already intend to take (assuming your primary tree is the one in each class where only one of the tier 1 talents are improved by the mod, and your first 5 points are spend in the missing talent), so getting the full benefit of the mod is exceptionally easy.

For the Mechromancer though, the mod doesn't increase a single tier 1 talent. It increases a pair of tier 2 talents, a tier 3 talent, a tier 4 talent and a tier 5 talent all of which are spread out across the three trees, and the only possible way to get all 5 of the talents improved by the mod is to forsake ever taking a tier 6 talent, and you are forced into tier 5 of Little Big Trouble. The only reason to go that far into Little Big Trouble is for the tier 6 talent. I suppose if you did a primary Little Big Trouble build with a secondary in Best Friends Forever, then skip Ordered Chaos entirely you would get 4 out of 5 of the improved skills, but considering the design of the other 4 class mods it's a bit of a let down.

Of course, they probably did it the way they did because the tier 1 talents in both BFF and LBT are exceptional talents, and giving you any more than 5 points in Close Enough would be broken as hell (just think, 80% of your misses ricochet and hit targets for half damage). Still, if it improved Smaller Lighter Faster, Myelin, More Pep, Cooking Up Trouble, and then any one of the tier 2 talents in any of the three trees it would work just fine. Or, if they wanted to break the mold, they could have given it bonuses to only the four talents listed above, but add a cooldown bonus or some other effect. I would even be OK with it dictating a specific tree that you need to take to use the mod, as long as it was possible to get all 5 of the bonus talents and still get a tier 6 like the other 5 class mods. As it is, it's a little disappointing because no matter how I slice it I'll be giving up one of the talents on the mod.




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I think this is the best build I have been able to make using the Slayer of Terramorphous class mod. It uses four of the five skills, two of which are simply taken with a single point to get 5/5, and two of which are taken at max rank for 9/5. Fancy Mathematics is nice considering it will give -126% shield recharge delay and +108% shield recharge speed, and Evil Enchantress will grant 54% increased burn/electrocute/corrode damage every time an enemy dies. Having 5/5 in Made of Sterner Stuff without having to sacrifice in other areas is nice as well, but the lack of Cooking Up Trouble is a bit annoying. I'm not too keen on Interdispersed Outburst to be honest, but it only costs 1 point to take it and get 5/5 so why not?

Still somewhat annoying that it forces the Mechromancer into a specific build, but not other classes.

I'm real stuck trying to kill the leviathan :( I had a pretty big ragequit last night. I get him down to almost dead and then a bajillion worm eat me. Even if I can take out all of the worms, something really cheapshotty happens and I gotta start over.

I figured out there's a lot of places in the cave where you can keep hitting him down to about 20% health, but to finish him off you'll have to jump down, and as soon as you do he resets to full health again :/