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British police cars are BMWs. They don't tend to look very cute either.
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
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Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Palindrome wrote: British police cars are BMWs. They don't tend to look very cute either.
The police use a whole range of different cars and colour schemes in the UK. Different regional forces will buy different cars. A lot of the cars up here are Ford Focuses. If you go to the more rural forces, there will be lots more 4x4's, etc...
It does surprise me how many British people are really negative about the police. But then, I found a strong undercurrent of bitterness towards pretty much every aspect of the public service when I lived in the UK. Must be all the right wing tabloid filth.
Or the poor management and overspending!
Da Boss wrote: Nah, I think that's not the case everywhere.
I don't see how keeping the peace earns the displeasure of the public, either. But maybe I count as police
Massive cases of incompetence, corruption, making up the rules as they go along, generally not knowing the law etc etc etc.
I realise the police have a hard job to do, but saying that you can't understand why the police aren't warmly accepted by the general public is surprising. They need better training and more investment, it's not the average Bobbies fault but they bare the brunt of it, like everybody else in the public sector.
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I may sound slightly bitter, but getting stopped and searched in certain parts of the UK just for being black or another minority, is no fun. And when the Metropolitan (London) police admit themselves that they disproportionaly target minorities since 9/11, then you can see why there is a problem.
Also, historically, the police were hated by some sections of society due to their actions in the miners' strikes of the 1980s, various miscarriages of justice, the Brixton riots, the cover up over Hillsborough, the death of Stephen Lawrence, collusion with the Murdoch empire etc etc.
Being a policeman is a difficult and thankless task, but a lot of American posters seem surprised why sections of the British public may not see the police in a good light. The above is a taster of recent scandals and controversies that have affected policing in the UK.
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No reason really.
The people that argue TASER's arn't safe are full of bull. People that will have an averse reaction to a jolt will either not be in the situation of needed to be tasered, should immediatly capitulate when threatened with one, or would have issues with any form of restraint.
If you know you have a heart condition you will stop when threatened with a taser. The cop doesn't know if you are bluffing or not and it shouldn't be his job to know, his job is to protect himself and stop you.
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In which case its nobody's fault. Unfortunate, nothing more.
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Personally, as both a pro-police and pro-gun kinda man, I feel that Tasers should have an increased distribution but shouldn't be Universal - they are a less-lethal rather than a non-lethal option and increased usage will only increase the relative minority of fatalities/serious injuries that occur. In addition I feel currently the Firearms Units are perfectly sufficient. Anything that happens here will be a knee-jerk reaction that is not considered in the long run - our attitude of words first then stick is better than gun first then shoot. In addition, I feel that the media needs to drop the "Damned if they do, damned if they don't" attitude they hold towards the police. Whether it goes 'right' or 'wrong' they only seem to criticise. I also feel that media coverage needs to be more comprehensive - especially if the source is user-generated/amateur footage.
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Grey Templar wrote: And in the cases where police are abusing their power, its usually not with a gun. usually its with their batons, pepper spray, and good ol' fisticuffs.
Like this abuse?
Being pepper spray'ed aint no joke...
Um, pepper spray ain't nothin and they were asking for it.
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Medium of Death wrote: Good thing that nobody has ever had an unknown underlying medical condition then isn't it...
That medical condition is often referred to as OD on narcotics or trippin bawlz. Many of the deaths blamed on tasers result from the suspect doing something before hand that resulted his his or her death. Civil suits can be brought against nearly everything and thats where most people hear that taser caused a death because suspects are blameless holy people.
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Grey Templar wrote: And in the cases where police are abusing their power, its usually not with a gun. usually its with their batons, pepper spray, and good ol' fisticuffs.
Like this abuse?
Being pepper spray'ed aint no joke...
Um, pepper spray ain't nothin and they were asking for it.
By sitting peacefully on a path? I guess the people who marched through Birmingham in 1963 were asking to be sprayed by water cannons and attacked by police dogs.
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Grey Templar wrote: And in the cases where police are abusing their power, its usually not with a gun. usually its with their batons, pepper spray, and good ol' fisticuffs.
Like this abuse?
Being pepper spray'ed aint no joke...
Um, pepper spray ain't nothin and they were asking for it.
By sitting peacefully on a path? I guess the people who marched through Birmingham in 1963 were asking to be sprayed by water cannons and attacked by police dogs.
Watch the video in the post above yours. Its the full unedited version of what actually happened.
The protesters had hemmed the police in and were acting in a very threatening manner. They are lucky all that happened was pepper spray.
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Yeah after watching the video it's more apparent they were not only well warned but also threatened the police to some extent...
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I got scared just watching the video
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Grey Templar wrote: And in the cases where police are abusing their power, its usually not with a gun. usually its with their batons, pepper spray, and good ol' fisticuffs.
Like this abuse?
Being pepper spray'ed aint no joke...
Um, pepper spray ain't nothin and they were asking for it.
By sitting peacefully on a path? I guess the people who marched through Birmingham in 1963 were asking to be sprayed by water cannons and attacked by police dogs.
Watch the video in the post above yours. Its the full unedited version of what actually happened.
The protesters had hemmed the police in and were acting in a very threatening manner. They are lucky all that happened was pepper spray.
They were chanting slogans. They did not act against the police in any offensive way which warranted that response. Were the police ever in any real danger?
In fact they used the same tactics the police use to contain a protest, they kettled them.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Grey Templar wrote: And in the cases where police are abusing their power, its usually not with a gun. usually its with their batons, pepper spray, and good ol' fisticuffs.
Like this abuse?
Being pepper spray'ed aint no joke...
Um, pepper spray ain't nothin and they were asking for it.
By sitting peacefully on a path? I guess the people who marched through Birmingham in 1963 were asking to be sprayed by water cannons and attacked by police dogs.
Threatening the police safety, encircling the police, demanding release of arrested suspects. For the love of god watch the video and get off the media hype. Pepper spray isn't mustard gas. It blurs vision and stings, but it's not really hurting you.
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Be sure to use logic! Avoid fallacies whenever possible.
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Grey Templar wrote: And in the cases where police are abusing their power, its usually not with a gun. usually its with their batons, pepper spray, and good ol' fisticuffs.
Like this abuse?
Being pepper spray'ed aint no joke...
Um, pepper spray ain't nothin and they were asking for it.
I feel like we already rode this marry go round.
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Threatening the police safety, encircling the police, demanding release of arrested suspects. For the love of god watch the video and get off the media hype. Pepper spray isn't mustard gas. It blurs vision and stings, but it's not really hurting you.
I have watched the video. How did any of the protesters ever threaten the polices safety?
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Threatening the police safety, encircling the police, demanding release of arrested suspects. For the love of god watch the video and get off the media hype. Pepper spray isn't mustard gas. It blurs vision and stings, but it's not really hurting you.
I have watched the video. How did any of the protesters ever threaten the polices safety?
Preventing the officers from leaving when they wanted to and demanding the release of suspects held in custody.
Those are threats to the safety of the officers.
Plus we have the protestors behavior and retoric which was clearly agressive.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Threatening the police safety, encircling the police, demanding release of arrested suspects. For the love of god watch the video and get off the media hype. Pepper spray isn't mustard gas. It blurs vision and stings, but it's not really hurting you.
I have watched the video. How did any of the protesters ever threaten the polices safety?
Surrounding the police so that they have no available exits. If the protests got violent, aka too late, they had no way to assure their own safety via retreat. Chanting If you let them go, we will let you go, implied the threat of having the officers detained. A multitude of issued warnings and their non-compliance with orders. Pepper spray is a low level tool for the police to use.
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Be sure to use logic! Avoid fallacies whenever possible.
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Preventing the officers from leaving when they wanted to and demanding the release of suspects held in custody.
Those are threats to the safety of the officers.
Plus we have the protestors behavior and retoric which was clearly agressive.
The next time I get kettled by the poilice I should be within my rights to pepper spray right back at them then.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Preventing the officers from leaving when they wanted to and demanding the release of suspects held in custody.
Those are threats to the safety of the officers.
Plus we have the protestors behavior and retoric which was clearly agressive.
The next time I get kettled by the poilice I should be within my rights to pepper spray right back at them then.
If the police are kettling you, you are in violation of the law. Pepper spraying them would result in conviction for assaulting a peace officer.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Preventing the officers from leaving when they wanted to and demanding the release of suspects held in custody.
Those are threats to the safety of the officers.
Plus we have the protestors behavior and retoric which was clearly agressive.
The next time I get kettled by the poilice I should be within my rights to pepper spray right back at them then.
If the police are kettling you, you are in violation of the law.
Not in the UK. The British police (at least the Met) kettle everyone in an area irrespective of what they are doing.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
Preventing the officers from leaving when they wanted to and demanding the release of suspects held in custody.
Those are threats to the safety of the officers.
Plus we have the protestors behavior and retoric which was clearly agressive.
The next time I get kettled by the poilice I should be within my rights to pepper spray right back at them then.
Dear god this should be exalted as the worst argument on Dakka ever. And that's saying something.
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Be sure to use logic! Avoid fallacies whenever possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Preventing the officers from leaving when they wanted to and demanding the release of suspects held in custody.
Those are threats to the safety of the officers.
Plus we have the protestors behavior and retoric which was clearly agressive.
The next time I get kettled by the poilice I should be within my rights to pepper spray right back at them then.
Dear god this should be exalted as the worst argument on Dakka ever. And that's saying something.
Thanks, that means a lot to me. I was also making a semi valid point. Why should the police get carte blanche?
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
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Why are they assaulting you?
Obviously you have violated the law and the law requires they restrain you and bring you to justice.
But obviously you arn't listining to reason so why bother.
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