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I was playing fellow dakkanaut dauntless yesterday at GW Oakridge. I was fielding my ork warbikers who have some of the kromlech heads/armored torsos (cybork basically).

As I was removing models while dauntless proceeded to shoot me off the board, one of the regulars in the store was eyeing my models. After a moment he just said "heresy." I know he was referring to my use of non-GW parts. I said "Well it's still 75% or more GW" to which the guy responded "It needs to be 90%."

Is this true? Are there any hard, official rules for this sort of thing? I tried googling it but either my google-fu is weak or it just isn't out there.

The guys comment did raise a funny issue, which was pointed out by dauntless. What about 100% scratch built models? Technically they'd be illegal too under this "90% GW" rule.

Anyways if someone has any knowledge about this I'd greatly appreciate it. I'd hate to walk in be told I can't use my models.

How dare you have converted models in an ork army, dont you know thats totally against the spirit of the army?!!!!!!!!!!

The guy was being a prick ignore him, aslong as the models 50% GW and kinda WYSIWYG its fine its not like your using models from another company like mantic to represent GW units.

The general rule I've found is that as long as the models you are using aren't just models from other games, and the conversions are good, you should be fine. GW's official line is that they strongly support conversion and scratch building in the game, so it's not like they are going to kick you out for using heavily converted models. So taking parts from other mini's and using them on GW minis is fine, I've never heard of anybody getting kicked out of a store for using combi-weapons bought from an non-GW manufacturer. The only thing I will suggest is to not bring another company's models. They might not kick you out, but it is still kinda a dick move to the store managers.

hobojebus wrote:
How dare you have converted models in an ork army, dont you know thats totally against the spirit of the army?!!!!!!!!!!

The guy was being a prick ignore him, aslong as the models 50% GW and kinda WYSIWYG its fine its not like your using models from another company like mantic to represent GW units.

My thoughts exactly. Seems like more and more GW these days is less about "the hobby" and more about the trademarked GW "Hobby."

I suppose someone could make the argument they're not strict WYSIWYG (the kromlech torsos are the size of normal ork torsos, not nobz, but I use them as nob bikerz anyways. All weapons/upgrades are WYSIWYG).

Although I'm relatively new for a "regular" at the store, I'm already picking up that this guy in particular is quite the donkey-cave.

regardless, if GW is going to field models for an army and not sell them (looking at you void raven!) and then try to complain about coversions in the same step that would be beyond ludicrous. Im somehow sure that the store employees probably dont care, as long as you're buying stuff and not being a dick. Ive known several people who have worked at several different GW stores and the consensus seems to be that individual stores set the rules. I was at one in thousand oaks not too long about where the guy didnt seem to have too much problems with unpainted models as long as people were at least working on it (he was a super nice guy, so he would challenge new painters to complete their armies to play against his studio quality army) and ive also heard of stores where if your models are not based and do not have at least 3 different paint colors at a reasonable standard you wouldnt even be allowed to play!

RegalPhantom wrote:
The general rule I've found is that as long as the models you are using aren't just models from other games, and the conversions are good, you should be fine. GW's official line is that they strongly support conversion and scratch building in the game, so it's not like they are going to kick you out for using heavily converted models. So taking parts from other mini's and using them on GW minis is fine, I've never heard of anybody getting kicked out of a store for using combi-weapons bought from an non-GW manufacturer. The only thing I will suggest is to not bring another company's models. They might not kick you out, but it is still kinda a dick move to the store managers.

Oh I agree, no doubt. I'm not about to bring some Mantic orks in or PP models.

The last line, just to clarify, you mean bringing in a full model from another manufacturer would be a dick move? That is how I read it. I agree that would be pretty low in a GW shop, but I will exercise my right to use bitz from other companies, particularly for bitz GW doesn't even make! (Hint hint GW - make some cybork upgrade packs!)


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generalchaos34 wrote:
regardless, if GW is going to field models for an army and not sell them (looking at you void raven!) and then try to complain about coversions in the same step that would be beyond ludicrous. Im somehow sure that the store employees probably dont care, as long as you're buying stuff and not being a dick. Ive known several people who have worked at several different GW stores and the consensus seems to be that individual stores set the rules. I was at one in thousand oaks not too long about where the guy didnt seem to have too much problems with unpainted models as long as people were at least working on it (he was a super nice guy, so he would challenge new painters to complete their armies to play against his studio quality army) and ive also heard of stores where if your models are not based and do not have at least 3 different paint colors at a reasonable standard you wouldnt even be allowed to play!

I completely agree with you. If GW doesn't make the model, am I just supposed to not field it?

As to the individual stores setting their own rules that has also been my experience.

It depends entirely on the manager in question.

Some of them are so far into the kool aid that they have a hard time letting any kind of conversion be used, while others are quite fine with non-GW parts being used, as long as you don't go shouting in the store that they're not GW stuff. Using a completely non-GW model is out of the question in any GW store, though you didn't do that.

Depending on how they acted, you could always put in a complaint to GW HQ. Even now, send them an email and ask for the companies official stance.

 Dendarien wrote:
Although I'm relatively new for a "regular" at the store, I'm already picking up that this guy in particular is quite the donkey-cave.

Sorry about the off-topic, but may I just say: that is an ingenious alternative to the actual curse! It made me almost choke on my soda.

-Loki- wrote:It depends entirely on the manager in question.

Some of them are so far into the kool aid that they have a hard time letting any kind of conversion be used, while others are quite fine with non-GW parts being used, as long as you don't go shouting in the store that they're not GW stuff. Using a completely non-GW model is out of the question in any GW store, though you didn't do that.

Depending on how they acted, you could always put in a complaint to GW HQ. Even now, send them an email and ask for the companies official stance.

I'll discuss it with the store manager. I feel like I'm on good terms with all the staff (Gork knows I spend enough in there). Good idea about emailing HQ, I plan on trying that! Would be interesting to see how the answers compare.

Ricedaddy wrote:

 Dendarien wrote:
Although I'm relatively new for a "regular" at the store, I'm already picking up that this guy in particular is quite the donkey-cave.

Sorry about the off-topic, but may I just say: that is an ingenious alternative to the actual curse! It made me almost choke on my soda.

I take no credit. I picked it up from dakka

The only store I spent time at was cool with using a few non GW models as long as the marjorety was the GW stuff. So I would assume its up to the people there.

Realy commen sense on both sides is needed :p