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KalashnikovMarine wrote: How do you like your M&PC Frazzle? I love mine... it's not quite a pocket carry but it's damn close.
Its new so experimenting with different holsters still. Its pretty accurate and about the same size as my old Kimber ultra carry. The S&W holster I acquired seems too fat, but we'll get it down. Does yours take all types of ammo? Mine doesn't seem to like Remington golden sabres so I'm using old school hardball until I test out some Hornady XTPs I just procured.
I haven't really played around with ammo. It cycled white box rem and blazer CCI just fine. For carry I feed it Winchester Ranger.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
KalashnikovMarine wrote: How do you like your M&PC Frazzle? I love mine... it's not quite a pocket carry but it's damn close.
Its new so experimenting with different holsters still. Its pretty accurate and about the same size as my old Kimber ultra carry. The S&W holster I acquired seems too fat, but we'll get it down. Does yours take all types of ammo? Mine doesn't seem to like Remington golden sabres so I'm using old school hardball until I test out some Hornady XTPs I just procured.
Try Speer gold dot if you haven't already. They are very consistent and if memory serves they mix a little silver or antimony (can't remember which but I lean towards silver) to aid in rapid expansion. I carry gold dots almost exclusively...except in my Glock which carries Winchester HPs. They make up for being not top of the line rounds by having a lot of them.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
KalashnikovMarine wrote: How do you like your M&PC Frazzle? I love mine... it's not quite a pocket carry but it's damn close.
Its new so experimenting with different holsters still. Its pretty accurate and about the same size as my old Kimber ultra carry. The S&W holster I acquired seems too fat, but we'll get it down. Does yours take all types of ammo? Mine doesn't seem to like Remington golden sabres so I'm using old school hardball until I test out some Hornady XTPs I just procured.
Try Speer gold dot if you haven't already. They are very consistent and if memory serves they mix a little silver or antimony (can't remember which but I lean towards silver) to aid in rapid expansion. I carry gold dots almost exclusively...except in my Glock which carries Winchester HPs. They make up for being not top of the line rounds by having a lot of them.
+Ps or standard pressure?
With the Speer Gold Dot +Ps you're basically getting .40 performance, which is why I've not yet seen the need to go out and pick up a gun I can't shoot well just to have the LE caliber du decade.
On topic, this is a good one. Dude robs a bank, teller manages to get a GPS locator mixed in with the cash. The police pinpoint the robber in his getaway vehicle to one particular intersection, so what do they do? Descend on it, detain and cuff everybody in all of the cars, and search them all.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: How do you like your M&PC Frazzle? I love mine... it's not quite a pocket carry but it's damn close.
Its new so experimenting with different holsters still. Its pretty accurate and about the same size as my old Kimber ultra carry. The S&W holster I acquired seems too fat, but we'll get it down. Does yours take all types of ammo? Mine doesn't seem to like Remington golden sabres so I'm using old school hardball until I test out some Hornady XTPs I just procured.
Try Speer gold dot if you haven't already. They are very consistent and if memory serves they mix a little silver or antimony (can't remember which but I lean towards silver) to aid in rapid expansion. I carry gold dots almost exclusively...except in my Glock which carries Winchester HPs. They make up for being not top of the line rounds by having a lot of them.
+Ps or standard pressure?
With the Speer Gold Dot +Ps you're basically getting .40 performance, which is why I've not yet seen the need to go out and pick up a gun I can't shoot well just to have the LE caliber du decade.
On topic, this is a good one. Dude robs a bank, teller manages to get a GPS locator mixed in with the cash. The police pinpoint the robber in his getaway vehicle to one particular intersection, so what do they do? Descend on it, detain and cuff everybody in all of the cars, and search them all.
Yep... that's a little extreme. Though I can't say I'm surprised that there was a slightly OTT reaction to an armed robbery in Aurora given what just happened there over the summer.... edit: nope nvm this happened before that. Even then it's really not a justification. You'd think GPS tech could pinpoint to the car...
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
here in Thailand. highway cops still 'abuse the traffic law'. using uniforms and bills to call a tribute from every passing trucks. those who refused to pay will be threathened, (and worse! arrested... with some allegations. usually drug trafficking... of course!). Those who run away will be carchashed (as if he/she is a criminal)Those drivers who aware that the checkpoint is actually a 'toll' set up by a corrupting cop and INTENTIONALLY run him over will be charged with murder (and the judge always pass a judgement in favor of a corrupting cop) the only way to get rid of this corruptor is that you need a working video recording device (any type), bravery, and wit. a videoclip can be used in court as an evident and of course! the law will work against some corruptors.
In the past, an excuse of 'underpaid salary' is enough for a lowly policeman to set up a tribute toll/checkpoint. recently however, every 'checkpoints' must be authorized by superior, and accompanied with at least 1 'police leiutenant'.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: How do you like your M&PC Frazzle? I love mine... it's not quite a pocket carry but it's damn close.
Its new so experimenting with different holsters still. Its pretty accurate and about the same size as my old Kimber ultra carry. The S&W holster I acquired seems too fat, but we'll get it down. Does yours take all types of ammo? Mine doesn't seem to like Remington golden sabres so I'm using old school hardball until I test out some Hornady XTPs I just procured.
Try Speer gold dot if you haven't already. They are very consistent and if memory serves they mix a little silver or antimony (can't remember which but I lean towards silver) to aid in rapid expansion. I carry gold dots almost exclusively...except in my Glock which carries Winchester HPs. They make up for being not top of the line rounds by having a lot of them.
Speer gold dots are consistently top five in bullet reviews for penetration and expansion, at any caliber tested. Good call there. I'm trying the Hornady's next because its a 115 grain HP and has the eraser head. I'm trying to isolate the variables of whether its the weight, high end remington primers, or big wide hollowpoint that cause the issue (several failures to cycle fully to battery and cock it or fire, yet cheap crap loads do just fine).
KalashnikovMarine wrote: How do you like your M&PC Frazzle? I love mine... it's not quite a pocket carry but it's damn close.
Its new so experimenting with different holsters still. Its pretty accurate and about the same size as my old Kimber ultra carry. The S&W holster I acquired seems too fat, but we'll get it down. Does yours take all types of ammo? Mine doesn't seem to like Remington golden sabres so I'm using old school hardball until I test out some Hornady XTPs I just procured.
Try Speer gold dot if you haven't already. They are very consistent and if memory serves they mix a little silver or antimony (can't remember which but I lean towards silver) to aid in rapid expansion. I carry gold dots almost exclusively...except in my Glock which carries Winchester HPs. They make up for being not top of the line rounds by having a lot of them.
+Ps or standard pressure?
With the Speer Gold Dot +Ps you're basically getting .40 performance, which is why I've not yet seen the need to go out and pick up a gun I can't shoot well just to have the LE caliber du decade.
On topic, this is a good one. Dude robs a bank, teller manages to get a GPS locator mixed in with the cash. The police pinpoint the robber in his getaway vehicle to one particular intersection, so what do they do? Descend on it, detain and cuff everybody in all of the cars, and search them all.
That was all over the gun sights when it occurred. Very bad move.
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: How do you like your M&PC Frazzle? I love mine... it's not quite a pocket carry but it's damn close.
Its new so experimenting with different holsters still. Its pretty accurate and about the same size as my old Kimber ultra carry. The S&W holster I acquired seems too fat, but we'll get it down. Does yours take all types of ammo? Mine doesn't seem to like Remington golden sabres so I'm using old school hardball until I test out some Hornady XTPs I just procured.
Try Speer gold dot if you haven't already. They are very consistent and if memory serves they mix a little silver or antimony (can't remember which but I lean towards silver) to aid in rapid expansion. I carry gold dots almost exclusively...except in my Glock which carries Winchester HPs. They make up for being not top of the line rounds by having a lot of them.
+Ps or standard pressure?
With the Speer Gold Dot +Ps you're basically getting .40 performance, which is why I've not yet seen the need to go out and pick up a gun I can't shoot well just to have the LE caliber du decade.
On topic, this is a good one. Dude robs a bank, teller manages to get a GPS locator mixed in with the cash. The police pinpoint the robber in his getaway vehicle to one particular intersection, so what do they do? Descend on it, detain and cuff everybody in all of the cars, and search them all.
Standard pressure. I run GDs in my 38spc which fireballs too much with +P and in my 45 Sig. My Glock is a .40 but carrying just shy of 60 GDs is expensive so I load it cheap. I have all the mags, Just need a barrel to switch over to 9mm in my Glock, or build a new one. I'm thinking about picking up another turn in Glock and getting a stamp for a shoulder stock' I wish they just stop beating around the bush and make a carbine.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Standard pressure. I run GDs in my 38spc which fireballs too much with +P and in my 45 Sig. My Glock is a .40 but carrying just shy of 60 GDs is expensive so I load it cheap. I have all the mags, Just need a barrel to switch over to 9mm in my Glock, or build a new one. I'm thinking about picking up another turn in Glock and getting a stamp for a shoulder stock' I wish they just stop beating around the bush and make a carbine.
Both the home office in Austria and the plant down in Smyrna have recently completed rifle-length indoor range additions to their facilities. Wonder what they could be using those for?
Standard pressure. I run GDs in my 38spc which fireballs too much with +P and in my 45 Sig. My Glock is a .40 but carrying just shy of 60 GDs is expensive so I load it cheap. I have all the mags, Just need a barrel to switch over to 9mm in my Glock, or build a new one. I'm thinking about picking up another turn in Glock and getting a stamp for a shoulder stock' I wish they just stop beating around the bush and make a carbine.
Both the home office in Austria and the plant down in Smyrna have recently completed rifle-length indoor range additions to their facilities. Wonder what they could be using those for?
Which 45 Sig, btw? P220?
An early Exeter 220 w/out rail.
I have trouble working myself up to be excited about the Glock carbine. Rumors cirulated as far back as 2000 that Glock would bring a carbine to market. After the resounding sucess of the Cx4 who can blame Glock for being cautious. oh that's right ME!
Beretta tried to introduce a whole new line and Glock has a huge existing market. Now these jackasses have waited too long. The last thing I heard from a reliable source was that the Glock Carbine would be M4-ish. If it is they have effectively wasted whatever time or money they put into the project. If they don't release the Iphone of Carbines with compatible magazines then in my eyes Glock is a failure.
There were some solid rumors about a Glock shotgun too. In any event something this way comes.
In actual police news: Starting today the Phoenix PD is required to wear the standard polyester blue button up uniforms. Their union is going BESERK! And I love every second of it. Not because I hate cops but because I can get behind what I am interpreting as a demilitarization of the police force. The union is crying about unfair labor practices...in a uniform job, what a joke. I guess if the new chief really wants to piss them off he'll mandate ties.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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Which is probably the real reason they're in a huff, and for once I approve of a union's actions.
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I'm with Auston. Cops in many places play paramilitary too much, in BDUs with SMGs and combat boots, etc. Good for the chief if this is indeed aimed at curbing that cowboy dress up stuff.
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He just needs to swap over to cotton.
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If the standard uniforms in Pheonix aren't made for the heat, then that's really dumb, and yeah they should fix that.
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AustonT wrote: In actual police news: Starting today the Phoenix PD is required to wear the standard polyester blue button up uniforms. Their union is going BESERK! And I love every second of it. Not because I hate cops but because I can get behind what I am interpreting as a demilitarization of the police force. The union is crying about unfair labor practices...in a uniform job, what a joke. I guess if the new chief really wants to piss them off he'll mandate ties.
What were they wearing before? Whatever they felt like?
This is one of the better "police going too far" examples I know of. The guy getting stopped and open carrying (a Marine Captain) was a bit of a douche, but not nearly as bad as the usual open carry bleaters. For those who want the summary rather than checking out the (entirely audio, no video) clip: Dude's riding his motorcycle through Wyoming. Open carrying. He passes some RVs carrying Grandma and Grandpa, who feel he's speeding and call the cops. A cop pulls him over, asks him if he's armed, which is when he makes the, in my opinion, boneheaded decision to simply say he doesn't consent to any searches or seizures.
I don't know Wyoming law, but I'd be shocked if you're not required to disclose you're carrying when directly asked. Either way, the cop has him get off the bike, at which point the pistol becomes obvious. The cop immediately cuffs him and calls for backup. They argue for a while about whether or not the guy had to disclose he was carrying. Backup shows up, the cops ask the guy to surrender his weapon (!). The guy refuses. The cops then come up with the idea of letting him go, but having one of them draw his weapon, keeping it trained on the Marine, and shooting him if he makes any sudden movements (!!!). Our motorcyclist friend refuses that one, too. The cops call in their boss, who promptly decides they've got nothing to arrest him for, and sends him on his way.
Marine's suing them now. Not sure for what, exactly, but it's going to trial next year.
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AustonT wrote: In actual police news: Starting today the Phoenix PD is required to wear the standard polyester blue button up uniforms. Their union is going BESERK! And I love every second of it. Not because I hate cops but because I can get behind what I am interpreting as a demilitarization of the police force. The union is crying about unfair labor practices...in a uniform job, what a joke. I guess if the new chief really wants to piss them off he'll mandate ties.
What were they wearing before? Whatever they felt like?
This is one of the better "police going too far" examples I know of. The guy getting stopped and open carrying (a Marine Captain) was a bit of a douche, but not nearly as bad as the usual open carry bleaters. For those who want the summary rather than checking out the (entirely audio, no video) clip: Dude's riding his motorcycle through Wyoming. Open carrying. He passes some RVs carrying Grandma and Grandpa, who feel he's speeding and call the cops. A cop pulls him over, asks him if he's armed, which is when he makes the, in my opinion, boneheaded decision to simply say he doesn't consent to any searches or seizures.
I don't know Wyoming law, but I'd be shocked if you're not required to disclose you're carrying when directly asked. Either way, the cop has him get off the bike, at which point the pistol becomes obvious. The cop immediately cuffs him and calls for backup. They argue for a while about whether or not the guy had to disclose he was carrying. Backup shows up, the cops ask the guy to surrender his weapon (!). The guy refuses. The cops then come up with the idea of letting him go, but having one of them draw his weapon, keeping it trained on the Marine, and shooting him if he makes any sudden movements (!!!). Our motorcyclist friend refuses that one, too. The cops call in their boss, who promptly decides they've got nothing to arrest him for, and sends him on his way.
Marine's suing them now. Not sure for what, exactly, but it's going to trial next year.
It seems to me like it was both sides being stupid.
Cops should know that they had nothing to hold the guy for. You can't use Hearsay to give someone a ticket, just because a couple of old coots thought he was speeding doesn't mean squat unless the officer actually gets a reading on him.
On the flipside, its downright cruel to not tell a cop you are armed. They are going to act on their first instinct and thats self preservation. I'll fell much more comfortable if someone fesses up that they are packing then if I find out for myself. That seems as if the person is hiding something, and if someone is hiding something it implies they might do something with it.
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It seems to me like it was both sides being stupid.
Cops should know that they had nothing to hold the guy for. You can't use Hearsay to give someone a ticket, just because a couple of old coots thought he was speeding doesn't mean squat unless the officer actually gets a reading on him.
On the flipside, its downright cruel to not tell a cop you are armed. They are going to act on their first instinct and thats self preservation. I'll fell much more comfortable if someone fesses up that they are packing then if I find out for myself. That seems as if the person is hiding something, and if someone is hiding something it implies they might do something with it.
I fully agree it is downright cruel to not tell a cop you're armed. I wouldn't volunteer the information in all cases, as I said earlier in the thread, nor am I required to in Virginia, but if outright asked, I'll answer.
However, I think cuffing the guy, detaining him on the side of the road for quite some time, requesting that he hand over his firearm, and proposing that he be shot should he move too fast all cross very far over the line no matter how uncomfortable you are with the fact that he's carrying a gun, in my opinion.
It seems to me like it was both sides being stupid.
Cops should know that they had nothing to hold the guy for. You can't use Hearsay to give someone a ticket, just because a couple of old coots thought he was speeding doesn't mean squat unless the officer actually gets a reading on him.
On the flipside, its downright cruel to not tell a cop you are armed. They are going to act on their first instinct and thats self preservation. I'll fell much more comfortable if someone fesses up that they are packing then if I find out for myself. That seems as if the person is hiding something, and if someone is hiding something it implies they might do something with it.
I fully agree it is downright cruel to not tell a cop you're armed. I wouldn't volunteer the information in all cases, as I said earlier in the thread, nor am I required to in Virginia, but if outright asked, I'll answer.
However, I think cuffing the guy, detaining him on the side of the road for quite some time, requesting that he hand over his firearm, and proposing that he be shot should he move too fast all cross very far over the line no matter how uncomfortable you are with the fact that he's carrying a gun, in my opinion.
The Cops probably wouldn't have done that if he had volunteered the info in the first place. But yes, it was totally unacceptable what they did.
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AustonT wrote: In actual police news: Starting today the Phoenix PD is required to wear the standard polyester blue button up uniforms. Their union is going BESERK! And I love every second of it. Not because I hate cops but because I can get behind what I am interpreting as a demilitarization of the police force. The union is crying about unfair labor practices...in a uniform job, what a joke. I guess if the new chief really wants to piss them off he'll mandate ties.
What were they wearing before? Whatever they felt like?
Black Polos, black BDU paints and load bearing outer vest
thier union would love for you to believe that they look like the guy in front, the guy in back is the now mandated class c uniform.
As for it being hot and uncomfortable, my heart fair the feth bleeds, cops should look like cops not an airsofters wet dream.
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Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Mannahnin wrote: I'm with Auston. Cops in many places play paramilitary too much, in BDUs with SMGs and combat boots, etc. Good for the chief if this is indeed aimed at curbing that cowboy dress up stuff.
The actual reason stated by the Chief is the sudden "rash" of Police impersonations in previous months or years (can't remember which off the top of my head), and to avoid 'confusion' by the populace due to there being two different uniforms for officers (blue polyester and the black cotton/BDU pants). IMO these are both very flimsy excuses, as anybody willing to impersonate a police officer isn't going to be deterred by a different uniform, and in the second case, officers have been wearing either uniform at their own discretion for right around a decade now; the populace is definitely accustomed to seeing police in either.
The union's arguments are about more than just the heat; the current choice allows officers to wear comfortable and lightweight gear; The "dress" uniform includes a mandatory leather belt, the other allows for a nylon belt and vest with pockets that allows officers to distribute the weight around their body more evenly. When you have to carry 20 or more pounds of equipment on your waist all day everyday a slight discomfort in the morning can lead to very real pain by the end of your shift, and can cause lower back injuries in the long run. Ask any construction worker who wears a toolbelt if you doubt this.
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AustonT wrote: Black Polos, black BDU paints and load bearing outer vest
See, I'd say ditch the vest and switch to jeans and it'd be fine, but I'm used to seeing po-pos in polos and jeans in Richmond. Sure, they look a little like they're coming to set up your office LAN, but it's probably pretty comfortable, and it doesn't look overdone on the "I'm a hardcase!" scale.
AustonT wrote: Black Polos, black BDU paints and load bearing outer vest
See, I'd say ditch the vest and switch to jeans and it'd be fine, but I'm used to seeing po-pos in polos and jeans in Richmond. Sure, they look a little like they're coming to set up your office LAN, but it's probably pretty comfortable, and it doesn't look overdone on the "I'm a hardcase!" scale.
Cargo pants with knee padding are the way to go. The extra pockets are extremely handy, the material is more comfortable, and the knees of uniform pants wear out quickly when you spend a good amount of time looking under things, especially on roads. Load bearing vests are a far superior option to sticking everything on your belt, too. It's funny watching rookies wear them though because you no longer have the tactile sense of a seatbelt going across your chest when you're sitting in a car, so when they go to get out of the car they forget to take their seatbelt off and struggle to work out what's wrong for a few seconds!
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AustonT wrote: Black Polos, black BDU paints and load bearing outer vest
See, I'd say ditch the vest and switch to jeans and it'd be fine, but I'm used to seeing po-pos in polos and jeans in Richmond. Sure, they look a little like they're coming to set up your office LAN, but it's probably pretty comfortable, and it doesn't look overdone on the "I'm a hardcase!" scale.
Cargo pants with knee padding are the way to go. The extra pockets are extremely handy, the material is more comfortable, and the knees of uniform pants wear out quickly when you spend a good amount of time looking under things, especially on roads. Load bearing vests are a far superior option to sticking everything on your belt, too. It's funny watching rookies wear them though because you no longer have the tactile sense of a seatbelt going across your chest when you're sitting in a car, so when they go to get out of the car they forget to take their seatbelt off and struggle to work out what's wrong for a few seconds!
Bloody seatbelts. I graciously offerred (was ordered) my services as a driver to another companies convoy excersize driving an MTV. I'm not the tallest of men so I can't actually reach the steps to get down, and being a paratrooper I don't terribly mind the 4-5ish foot drop. The LT riding third seat ordered us to evacuate the truck during an ambush; soz I go to unass myself from the truck and undid my seatbelt. You know the common over the shoulder towards the doorframe kind, and jumped. My glorious combat PLF abruptly ended in mid flight as the seatbelt wrapped around my mag pouches. I hung suspended in the open door of that truck for almost 10 minutes, the seat belt fething turtled me and all I could do was kick off the side of the truck and get swung back into it. I. fething. hate. seatbelts. Well while wearing a kit.
/tangent.
OTVs on cops, I have no sympathy for you. Shirt, Clip on tie, manners. The outer vests that look like uniform shirts and tie the belt into the shoulders are perfect. You aren't fighting a war, you're serving the community. Look the part.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
I can certainly see the purpose in arming some units in Arizona as if they were military (given los zetas are armed as such) but the problem comes when those units get over used.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
youbedead wrote: I can certainly see the purpose in arming some units in Arizona as if they were military (given los zetas are armed as such) but the problem comes when those units get over used.
So your concern is arming someone to react to a cartel group from across the border?
Done.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
youbedead wrote: I can certainly see the purpose in arming some units in Arizona as if they were military (given los zetas are armed as such) but the problem comes when those units get over used.
So your concern is arming someone to react to a cartel group from across the border?
Done.
They operate in the southwest of the US as well, and as I said the group that should be responding to the cartel shouldn't be the group responding to petty crimes, or most crimes for that matter.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
youbedead wrote: I can certainly see the purpose in arming some units in Arizona as if they were military (given los zetas are armed as such) but the problem comes when those units get over used.
So your concern is arming someone to react to a cartel group from across the border?
Done.
They operate in the southwest of the US as well, and as I said the group that should be responding to the cartel shouldn't be the group responding to petty crimes, or most crimes for that matter.
Or maybe they shouldn't be the only people responding. Wouldn't hurt to occasionally call in the actual military to deal with it. Nice practice for them and we have plenty of reserve units to call on.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
They(los zetas) operate in the southwest of the US as well, and as I said the group(SWAT, or equivalant) that should be responding to the cartel shouldn't be the group responding to petty crimes, or most crimes for that matter( this should be normal officers)
Does that clear it up a bit
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
I'm trying the Hornady's next because its a 115 grain 
