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Hey Dakka, I've just stumbled across some info regarding income tax in the USA being non mandatory, yet people are being jailed for inaccuracies or evasion.

Now I'm Canadian and my income tax means I'm proboly getting money back, not sure how it works down in the US though.

So i thought I'd ask, also what do you think about income tax ?and do you file it or not?

Income tax phoney quick answer: Violates constitution and no actual law stating its mandatory. ( if so, please provide the evidence )

 Diezel wrote:
Hey Dakka, I've just stumbled across some info regarding income tax in the USA being non mandatory, yet people are being jailed for inaccuracies or evasion.

Now I'm Canadian and my income tax means I'm proboly getting money back, not sure how it works down in the US though.

So i thought I'd ask, also what do you think about income tax ?and do you file it or not?

Income tax phoney quick answer: Violates constitution and no actual law stating its mandatory. ( if so, please provide the evidence )

Wesely Snipes? Is that you??

Hey, it's new to me thought id ask.

Not only do those arguments not work, Lawyers have gotten disbarred for making them. That's how bad they are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_arguments

Trust me: they are uniformally wrong.

A lot of people are confused, because taxes are based on a self assessment. Meaning, you volunteer the information, not that you voluntarily make payments. there are, believe it or not, systems that tell you what you owe, and you have to argue if it's less.

 Diezel wrote:
Hey, it's new to me thought id ask.

That's okay...

The US federal tax laws are contained in the Internal Revenue Code, which was passed by the United States Congress. The Internal Revenue Code is also known as "Title 26 of the United States Code", which is the compilation of all the laws passed by Congress.

The Internal Revenue Code is the law that requires people to pay taxes.

Only another Congress can pass a law repealing this "Code"... which they would then most likely replace it with something else (Flat Tax anyone? 9-9-9 tax plan? waves-ducks-and-runs).

So, yes, us Americans are required to file and pay federal/state income taxes.

Yea, a federal tax. Is that not when you gain profits from a corporation, I don't believe it states anything about personal income as in labor

Yeah, there's a bunch of different ideas that try to claim people don't have to pay income tax. They're all stupid to varying degrees (I like the one about your name in capitals is a different person so he owes tax, not you), and pretending otherwise can get you in a lot of trouble.


Just as an aside, getting money back in your tax return is not the same thing as not paying tax. If, for instance, you were earning $1,000 a week, you'd send off about $160 a week to the tax man. Come the end of the year, you'd have already paid about $8,320 in tax. But then you calculate your taxable income, and claim deductions for childcare and stuff like that, and determine your taxable income was actually only $47,000, which would mean for the year you only owe $7,350. By filing your tax return you'd be getting $970 back in a refund.

So for the full year you'd still be paying $7,350, it's just that you overpaid during the year, and now you're getting your money back.

 Diezel wrote:
Yea, a federal tax. Is that not when you gain profits from a corporation, I don't believe it states anything about personal income as in labor

Shockingly, income is defined under the heading "Gross income defined."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/61
26 USC § 61 - Gross income defined
(a) General definition
Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
(8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
(9) Annuities;
(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
(11) Pensions;
(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and
(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.

The constitution only allows 2 Taxes, direct which is like gov services and indirect which is like tobacco or gas and have to be agreed too across the country. I believe that's how it works ( or how I've understood it )

And the revenue agency is supposed to by law be able to receipt your money and show you where it's gone.

This is all apart of that federal reserve being private and not government Problem

 Diezel wrote:
The constitution only allows 2 Taxes, direct which is like gov services and indirect which is like tobacco or gas and have to be agreed too across the country. I believe that's how it works ( or how I've understood it )

And the revenue agency is supposed to by law be able to receipt your money and show you where it's gone.

This is all apart of that federal reserve being private and not government Problem

None of this is remotely true.

 Polonius wrote:

 Diezel wrote:
Yea, a federal tax. Is that not when you gain profits from a corporation, I don't believe it states anything about personal income as in labor

Shockingly, income is defined under the heading "Gross income defined."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/61
26 USC § 61 - Gross income defined
(a) General definition
Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
(8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
(9) Annuities;
(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
(11) Pensions;
(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and
(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.

Ok that's the rules in regards to you filing, but if you file it your going up your own rights anyway, I'm talking about the law that states everyone must pay an income tax on the money they have worked for. Not included corporations im talkin average working man

Diezel: Go here: http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/IncomeTax.htm

Again, under "Tax Imposed"

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/1


a) Married individuals filing joint returns and surviving spouses
There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of—
(1) every married individual (as defined in section 7703) who makes a single return jointly with his spouse under section 6013, and
(2) every surviving spouse (as defined in section 2 (a)),
a tax determined in accordance with the following table:

If taxable income is: The tax is:
Not over $36,900 15% of taxable income.
Over $36,900 but not over $89,150 $5,535, plus 28% of the excess over $36,900.
Over $89,150 but not over $140,000 $20,165, plus 31% of the excess over $89,150.
Over $140,000 but not over $250,000 $35,928.50, plus 36% of the excess over $140,000.
Over $250,000 $75,528.50, plus 39.6% of the excess over $250,000.
(b) Heads of households
There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every head of a household (as defined in section 2 (b)) a tax determined in accordance with the following table:

If taxable income is: The tax is:
Not over $29,600 15% of taxable income.
Over $29,600 but not over $76,400 $4,440, plus 28% of the excess over $29,600.
Over $76,400 but not over $127,500 $17,544, plus 31% of the excess over $76,400.
Over $127,500 but not over $250,000 $33,385, plus 36% of the excess over $127,500.
Over $250,000 $77,485, plus 39.6% of the excess over $250,000.
(c) Unmarried individuals (other than surviving spouses and heads of households)
There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every individual (other than a surviving spouse as defined in section 2 (a) or the head of a household as defined in section 2 (b)) who is not a married individual (as defined in section 7703) a tax determined in accordance with the following table:

If taxable income is: The tax is:
Not over $22,100 15% of taxable income.
Over $22,100 but not over $53,500 $3,315, plus 28% of the excess over $22,100.
Over $53,500 but not over $115,000 $12,107, plus 31% of the excess over $53,500.
Over $115,000 but not over $250,000 $31,172, plus 36% of the excess over $115,000.
Over $250,000 $79,772, plus 39.6% of the excess over $250,000.
(d) Married individuals filing separate returns
There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every married individual (as defined in section 7703) who does not make a single return jointly with his spouse under section 6013, a tax determined in accordance with the following table:

If taxable income is: The tax is:
Not over $18,450 15% of taxable income.
Over $18,450 but not over $44,575 $2,767.50, plus 28% of the excess over $18,450.
Over $44,575 but not over $70,000 $10,082.50, plus 31% of the excess over $44,575.
Over $70,000 but not over $125,000 $17,964.25, plus 36% of the excess over $70,000.
Over $125,000 $37,764.25, plus 39.6% of the excess over $125,000.

Something about this whole thread seems...off.

 Polonius wrote:

 Diezel wrote:
The constitution only allows 2 Taxes, direct which is like gov services and indirect which is like tobacco or gas and have to be agreed too across the country. I believe that's how it works ( or how I've understood it )

And the revenue agency is supposed to by law be able to receipt your money and show you where it's gone.

This is all apart of that federal reserve being private and not government Problem

None of this is remotely true.

So there is a law that states everyone must pay an income tax on there hard earned cash?

Then why have there been supreme court cases ruling otherwise because IRS could not show hard evidence?



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Here's something I took from another forum to back my claim...
Quote:
Originally Posted by ESFP
********(you)As much as I hate paying taxes, I wouldn't recommend protesting the tax. In 1913, the 16th Amendment took care of this anticipated problem with this:
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


(me)********Yes but, it went before the supreme court in 1918, and the supreme court ruled "The 16th amendment does not give congress the authority to tax a third levy" Meaning it is unconstitutional to tax someone on their labor. That was also set by the supreme court in 18??. The constitution provides for 2 ways to tax, neither an income tax on labor. Your labor is not profit.

People have and are beating the IRS in court. Because they cannot show the law that provides for paying a income tax and cannot, because it is unconstitutional. The supreme court has set that precedent some 3-6 times. Lower courts are not upholding the higher courts rulings.

The IRS can have a phone book of tax codes all they want, they cannot show the law, they do not have the constitutionality, nor the supreme courts backing.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/398805-income-tax-illegal-irs-can-prove.html#ixzz27RiLxUT6

Dude... I believe that's the Wesley Snipes defense...

He spent (I believe) 3 years in jail for evasion.

Read my previous link as it goes over the usual questions...

Thread locked for trolling. Seriously folks, this is silly.