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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 02:46:24
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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KalashnikovMarine wrote:The classic aircraft data sheet story we got told in my squadron was allegedly one of our 'Nam era birds. The entry read something like.
1135: Aircraft tail shot off by ground fire.
1500: Tail replaced, in service.
I dunno if that was 'nam. My grandfather told me about the time he went out with the Black Cats. He was chief electrician's mate on the USS Half Moon, and they were way behind the lines, hitting Japanese shipping. Problem was they were burning through waist gunners on those PBY's faster than they could replace them. So Gallery, he says, we need 'volunteers'. At which point grandpa was 'voluntold' that he would be a waist gunner for a mission or two. Now, the thing with PBY's is they got blister turrets in the waist, so the waist gunners can see fore and aft on the bird. Well, he gets in his position, and they take off. After a while, out in the dark, he sees some lights way off and figures 'that's the japs'. All the sudden, big things started flying past in the dark. So they're coming up and coming up and gak starts hitting the plane and they're right down on the deck. He said he started to think that the pilots were dead and they were gonna ram the side of this ship they were flying at.
All the sudden, the torps drop, the bombs drop, and the plane is a few tons lighter. Jumps right up over the deck, and the old man said he was so close he could see their expressions in the muzzleflash of his machinegun. He lets go of the trigger, and the damn thing kept shooting. Shot till the belt ran out. So they fly back, and as they're going grandpa noticed that it felt a bit breezy in the waist, but he didn't really think anything of it till they landed.
AA fire had sawn the tail almost off, and when the PBY landed the force of it was hard enough the tail fell off! They managed to coast it over to the ship, he got off (and told his CO that he'd happily run at, swim at, or even dive under water after the enemy, but they could toss him in the brig before he'd fly through the air at them again) but they had that sucker winched up, fixed, and back in the air again for a second run that night.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 03:00:55
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Man, tail shot off AND a run away gun? Gotta love it when your sear wears ALL the way down like that. But no this particular sea story was definitely a Huey.
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Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 14:11:46
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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KalashnikovMarine wrote:Man, tail shot off AND a run away gun? Gotta love it when your sear wears ALL the way down like that. But no this particular sea story was definitely a Huey.
The real question you have to ask yourself is who keeps 40 year old gripe sheets? Or my first question: Where's the continuation card?
Almost totally believable, except I doubt the tail was actually shot off. Something something no tail rotor. Somethingsomething crash.
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Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 15:42:52
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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AustonT wrote: KalashnikovMarine wrote:Man, tail shot off AND a run away gun? Gotta love it when your sear wears ALL the way down like that. But no this particular sea story was definitely a Huey.
The real question you have to ask yourself is who keeps 40 year old gripe sheets? Or my first question: Where's the continuation card? Almost totally believable, except I doubt the tail was actually shot off. Something something no tail rotor. Somethingsomething crash. I would completely believe that the Marine Corps has EVERY gripe sheet entered since A.A. Cunningham made his first flight, the first Marine Aviation flight EVER somewhere in the Naval Archives.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 22:51:52
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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AustonT wrote:
The real question you have to ask yourself is who keeps 40 year old gripe sheets?
I've read written complaints filed from the hundred years war. (One of my ancestors even wrote one up the chain of command to King Charles VII of France. This should tell you how long a military will remember your screw ups))
I know the USN has them back to the War of 1812. ( IIRC most of the earlier ones burned with DC)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 00:26:10
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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US Military tracks everything....I mean everything....I had to pay for a "Gomer" pile cap I was issued in '90 recently as I cleared CIF...which I didn't recieve a new one since they are no longer issued.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 00:33:29
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Jihadin wrote:US Military tracks everything....I mean everything....I had to pay for a "Gomer" pile cap I was issued in '90 recently as I cleared CIF...which I didn't recieve a new one since they are no longer issued.
That's the Army.
With the few rare exceptions everything the Air Force buys me, is mine. Not counting chem gear, or field gear, there has only been 3 items that the AF has ever issued me that I had to return.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 00:45:39
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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What about the toolboxes? Actually we heard a AF mechanic is issued his/her toolbox that they maintain till they ETS out the service?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 00:50:27
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Jihadin wrote:What about the toolboxes? Actually we heard a AF mechanic is issued his/her toolbox that they maintain till they ETS out the service?
I'm in Operations, not Maintanence, but from what I understand that is not correct. Work equipment is still controlled by the Air Force. I don't take the PC I forecast with home with me. They don't take their toolkits with them. SF doesn't take their M-4's home.
My last deployment I was issued 4 new sets of ABU's, 3 sets of cold weather undergarments, several pairs of wool socks, a camel pack, leatherman, ballistic sunglasses, and a few other odds and ends...
Most of it I now use as hunting equipment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 00:59:10
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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My last deployment I was issued 4 new sets of ABU's, 3 sets of cold weather undergarments, several pairs of wool socks, a camel pack, leatherman, ballistic sunglasses, and a few other odds and ends...
You get to keep those as expendables. Any clothing article that touches skin doesn't get turned in. Was your ABU coated with Fire Retardent? How many boots have you in the closet? lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 01:03:02
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Jihadin wrote:My last deployment I was issued 4 new sets of ABU's, 3 sets of cold weather undergarments, several pairs of wool socks, a camel pack, leatherman, ballistic sunglasses, and a few other odds and ends...
You get to keep those as expendables. Any clothing article that touches skin doesn't get turned in. Was your ABU coated with Fire Retardent? How many boots have you in the closet? lol 
I probably have about 10 pairs of boots that have never touched my feet. Every set of ABU they gave me was the same as well, because I just wore my everyday ones that I already had broken in.
When my wife left the Army they made her turn everything back in, including all the uniforms that she wore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 01:33:33
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Hallowed Canoness
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I got a lovely gear issue when I graduated from Aircrew Candidate School, we called it the "Tom Cruise Starter Kit" two flight suits to start us off, a pair of flight boots that Marines couldn't wear in uniform (that I still have and love wearing, full leather upper, steel toe, reinforced heel and ankle, non-slip tread, oil proof, non-conducting, etc) and a pair of flight jackets including the $400 leather one that you see in all the movies. And all of that was mine. I'm sure they tracked that it all went to me, but nothing else other then that.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 06:09:16
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: AustonT wrote: KalashnikovMarine wrote:Man, tail shot off AND a run away gun? Gotta love it when your sear wears ALL the way down like that. But no this particular sea story was definitely a Huey.
The real question you have to ask yourself is who keeps 40 year old gripe sheets? Or my first question: Where's the continuation card?
Almost totally believable, except I doubt the tail was actually shot off. Something something no tail rotor. Somethingsomething crash.
I would completely believe that the Marine Corps has EVERY gripe sheet entered since A.A. Cunningham made his first flight, the first Marine Aviation flight EVER somewhere in the Naval Archives.
Could be a corps thing. I'm pretty sure we destroyed our 13-1s after 6 months with everything else in the 6 month file unless we were field testing something, and then we were just mailing it back to NG, which as far as we are concerned is destroyed.
Jihadin wrote:US Military tracks everything....I mean everything....I had to pay for a "Gomer" pile cap I was issued in '90 recently as I cleared CIF...which I didn't recieve a new one since they are no longer issued.
That's seven shades of slowed. They let me keep damn near everything; wtf am I supposed to do with one half of a shelter half? I really expected them to ask for my A2CUs and a bunch of other pricey gear, but a pile cap. Your CIF is run by a gakker. Automatically Appended Next Post: to be clear "gakker" isn't even close to what I said
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Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters.. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 19:05:17
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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With the right names on the paperwork, you'd be astonished what you can keep. (But try and get a tank through customs even with the right paperwork sometime.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 21:09:24
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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(But try and get a tank through customs even with the right paperwork sometime.)
Its easy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 23:21:18
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Jihadin wrote:(But try and get a tank through customs even with the right paperwork sometime.)
Its easy. 
Only when they belong to the government. Privately owned? Whole 'nother ball game. The two biggest pains are: Verifying the French really did sell the tanks, and they were not on loan (meaning 'we want to seize your tanks but have no legitimate reason to') and that you have all the correct licenses for 'destructive devices' and machine guns (meaning 'What do you mean all the papers are in order? Call BATF to harass him and maybe he'll leave them for us.')
Expect a given non-US tank to spend six weeks being inspected by everyone and their goat. US made tanks are easier, just tell customs you bought it off an overseas collector and are bringing it back to American soil, where it belongs! (and keep a straight face when saying this and claim the damage was from rough transport, not a near hit from a Yugoslavian T-55).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 23:24:41
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Like I said its easy. Its the HAZDEC that you have to get right. The HAZDEC is what gets you in trouble.
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Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
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Harlequin 2500
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 23:26:45
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If you have a tank and can't do what you want with it, then you are not using it right.
/hipster steampunk tank goggles
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 23:31:56
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Jihadin wrote:Like I said its easy. Its the HAZDEC that you have to get right. The HAZDEC is what gets you in trouble.
No, paperwork was fine, but they wanted to verify everything, so they impounded them while they made sure I wasn't smuggling tanks with fake documents. (Mind you, these are air droppable light tanks [AMX-13/105]. If I was going to smuggle them, wouldn't common sense be that I'd fly them over the Mexican boarder and drop them someplace in Arizona?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 23:46:04
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Additional list of US Navy aviation capable ships(non-nuclear powered CVNs). Most of the other countries would call these Carriers. We call them "gator freighters". Amphibious assault(Marines).
USS Wasp (LHD 1), Norfolk, VA
USS Essex (LHD 2), Sasebo, Japan
USS Kearsarge (LHD 3), Norfolk, VA
USS Boxer (LHD 4), San Diego, CA
USS Bataan (LHD 5), Norfolk, VA
USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6), San Diego, CA
USS Iwo Jima (LHD 7), Norfolk, VA
USS Makin Island (LHD 8), San Diego, CA
USS Nassau (LHA 4), Norfolk, VA
USS Peleliu (LHA 5), San Diego, CA
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/09 23:53:21
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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Whats the TCN number?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/10 03:39:24
Subject: China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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I've been on the Boxer. She's ok. Sort of a tub, but hard to sink. She sailed around the Gulf with a 20 foot hole they took five years to get around to repairing beyond a basic patch job that never lasted two months.
No Transportation Control Number. You only get those when shipping to or for DoD. The US gear was a mostly intact tank destroyer, so the story about it being bought from a collector looked legit. (It had been modified over the years in a Yugoslavian depot, and was surplus following the breakup of Yugoslavia, but I hear that it's being restored)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/10 14:34:09
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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BaronIveagh wrote: If I was going to smuggle them, wouldn't common sense be that I'd fly them over the Mexican boarder and drop them someplace in Arizona?)
I'm not going to tell you how to do your own job (smuggling), but I would suggest not trying this.
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Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters.. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/10 14:53:42
Subject: Re:China's first carrier enters service - Washington nervous
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AustonT wrote:
I'm not going to tell you how to do your own job (smuggling), but I would suggest not trying this.
Yeah, the local people would beat the police there to see if they were full of cocaine. And, no, I was being sarcastic. If you want to get stuff like this smuggled in, you have a paid guy in charge of a national park and sail it in a 'historic vessel'. Customs doesn't check the boat if you're literally sailing into the arms of the Park Service. AMX's are not that big.
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