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2012/09/27 06:18:36
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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as the title states while i have posted about my love and possible pursuit of beastmen or WoC, i really want a faction that feels different than my VC's mostly along the lines of the horde since thats what i run, i still need to get 6 banshees amd a unit of dragon princes but back on topic.
What faction is the opposite of my loved vampires and skeleton droogs besides dwarfs while i love dwarfs i got 2 battle for skull pases i still need to assemble for a friend and i have dwarves lying around i just cant get to like the models in the skull pass box.
How bout a list of what i can and cannot use based on the people playing
Can Use
- WoC
- The Empire
- Tomb Kings (meh dont want to go over here but i listed anyway)
- Dark Elves
- Beastmen: no one else shows interest besides me
- Wood Elves: look fun i like ranged and tree ents
Cannot use based on player base
- Ogre Kingdoms
- Orks and goblins:i cant stand them anyway
- Daemons of Chaos: the ogre player uses them
- Skaven: cant stand rat men but i got my buddy the high elves vs skaven box
- Lizardmen- guy just got his battatlion
- Dwarves- I love them but not their models
- Brettonia: A friend who uses them and i dont dig the gaudy colours
- High Elves- no to ponce for me
I have heard Wood Elves are behind on their codex which is expected soon and they are ranged
Beastmen are a old favorite but as a catholic part of me cringes as the models while still loving them and i have a unit of incomplete beastigors
WoC i dig sigvauld
DE- I have a unit of them outfitted with crossbows
TK- I will not go tomb kings but i posted them as aviable to use.
Please be kind and dont slam me for posting this thread i decided to move away from 2 factions and ask about them all and the opposite(s) of the VC's in playstyle besides magic that is okay stong magic is good magic
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/09/27 06:19:15
Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/09/27 17:47:05
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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As much as I love my beastmen and advocate to the death for them, they are not a shooty army, they are opposite of VC as their troops can really tally up some kills but overall they lack shooting which is something VC lacks as well so for a 2nd army I would advocate for something that you have been missing an entire phase of the game out on. This also puts WoC in this catagory, they do have some shooting from Hell Cannons and honestly I hate BS shooting so it is not a bad option but in no way do I think they compensates for a "shooty army". TK is magic and shooty heavy I have em, I love em they are opposite of my beastmen and that's why I grabbed them. So DE I believe it is, they do lack some some template based war machines which I like, and the T3 may make you cry but it is unfortunately standard and more of a standard with elves of any kind. If you really want a balanced army for every phase of the game I would consider the other option of Empire, while they are generally considered a "horde" army they don't have to be, such as using knights as some of your core.
The above was based purely from a game play prospective however if you really love the beastmen I encourage them. They have beautiful models are their book while being 7th edition based was made with 8th in mind so you benefit from a cheaper army book with reasonable command cost (no 10pts each no matter what).
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Thus, After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd
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2012/09/27 17:57:28
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Gunline empire.
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2012/09/27 21:02:22
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Paingiver
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Could do a Sylvania Empire Army, this way you can mix in your VC as counts as troops to cut down on building and painting a lot of troops, and it would work well with a theme for 2v2 matches.
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Thus, After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd
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2012/09/27 22:55:58
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Dakka Veteran
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Wood elves are about as far from Vamps as it gets. Shooty MSU with some monsters and life magic. The figs are nice and paint up easily, as well. Plus most of the core stuff is in plastics (Dryads, Archers, Glade Riders) and a small amount of finecast.
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2012/09/27 23:43:48
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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alright thanks, i will see in a wee bit what i am going to pursue
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Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/09/28 00:23:01
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Focused Fire Warrior
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empire - they look the coolest!
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 Moonblade cadre 3400 pts
 24th Regiment of Tra 1800 pts
Laylith the whites host - High elves 3500 pts
Men of the holy shrine - Bretonnian 3200 pts
Scarsnick;s hoddies -Night gobbos 2100 pts
The guard of the east gate of Mordhiem - 3200pts |
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2012/09/28 01:37:21
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Warriors of Chaos.
Elite troops vs utter crap.
Complete reliance on magic vs good magic but don't really need it.
Low model count vs high model count.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2012/09/28 01:44:53
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Nigel Stillman
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Wood elves?
VC have no shooting
Wood Elves are all about shooting.
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2012/09/28 02:33:32
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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i have 3 weeks or so to think it over before i head off to lomita and go to the GW store there
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but i will be taking all of your consideration.
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and what factions have worth while battalions
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/09/28 02:47:07
Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/09/28 15:22:16
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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the sylvania empire army sounds cool i just dont remember the colours of mad otto von drak.
so Wood Elves, WoC, or The Empire
and matter of coolness is in the eye of the beholder
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Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/09/28 15:57:53
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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The WoC battalion is an excellent deal.
Get a couple characters of your choice and couple boxes of Warriors and you'll have the core of a solid army.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2012/09/28 17:10:40
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hmm I heard with the empire you need multiple battalions like 2-3 I don't have enough skeles I have 30 skeles split into 2 units and I hope to get 30 more. WoC are tempting as are wood elves
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what was sylvanias colours beck in the day
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/09/28 23:50:07
Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/09/29 03:07:29
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Sinister Shapeshifter
The Lair of Vengeance....Poole.
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I believe Sylvania was split purple and black with red slits in Otto Von Drak's time. Post Von Carstein it is Red and Black, with bits of bone/grey. Don't hold me to that though
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2012/09/29 08:34:43
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Paingiver
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There is some photos of it in the heraldry book. Basically it's purple, dark red and a creme color.
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Thus, After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd
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2012/09/29 18:16:10
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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alright well i saw the gold guy in the empire book he is awesome in his art.
and the knights of the blazing sun dear god they sound cool
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/09/29 18:20:37
Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/10/01 00:48:56
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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skaven look cool i like moulder
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but i am not willing to paint 200 skaven
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/01 00:49:14
Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/10/01 01:39:33
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Paingiver
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Gabrial Seth wrote:skaven look cool i like moulder
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but i am not willing to paint 200 skaven
You don't need to paint tons of skaven to make a skaven army. Get 2 IoB skaven armies will probably run you $90-$100 for 2 sets on ebay.
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Then go with 40 clanrats with shields, banner, musician and weapon team you are looking at 257pts, so you got 2 of those so that's 514 on your core which will take you through 2k or go with 40 Stormvermin, horded add a weapon team, Storm Banner and you are looking at 420+pts or make it 50 or 55 to get you over 500 pts for a 2k game. Or take Throt and make 2 big ole units of rat ogres, then for special back them up with more rat ogres, and Hell Pits of course.
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Thus, After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd
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2012/10/01 04:11:18
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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ohhh thank you we will see in a month
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i need 1500 min. becasue so far that is the points we have
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/01 04:25:52
Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/10/01 07:41:27
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Rampaging Khorne Dreadnought
Wollongong, Australia
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Wood elves. Good shoots, high points cost.
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2012/10/01 21:59:07
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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i read what the tzeentch warriors of chaos get is it as bad as i think it is and by bad i mean really cheesy.
Slaanesh looking cooler as time goes by since i want beef cakes warriors of chaos look cooler and cooler as time passes.
Same with the Empire love their fashionable dress sense and the feel of the army.
Wood Elves feel a trifle underwhelming i like them still but i dont know if i like them enough to spend money on them.
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Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/10/02 00:27:33
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Tzeentch warriors arn't really cheesy. Just insanely durable, but they pay for it.
A Tzeentch Chosen-star is very killy and durable if its armed with Halberds and rolls the 3+ ward and Stubborn. Of course I would expect nothing less from a unit that's easily running 500-800 points.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2012/10/02 19:00:40
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Wing Commander
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Shouldn't Nurgle be the really durable ones?
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 Homebrew Imperial Guard: 1222nd Etrurian Lancers (Winged); Special Air-Assault Brigade (SAAB)
 Homebrew Chaos: The Black Suns; A Medrengard Militia (think Iron Warriors-centric Blood Pact/Sons of Sek) |
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2012/10/02 19:10:11
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Yes, but they arn't.
In 40k they are more durable(toughness boost) but in Fantesy its a -1WS or BS penelty for models attacking them(either in BtB or when shooting)
Its insanely over priced and ineffective. I wouldn't pay 1/3 of the cost for what it does.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2012/10/02 19:39:06
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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i was thinking purple armour with gold edging and pink capes. Emprahs Children style
That or tzeentch
i dont know any tzeentch colours besides blue and gold
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i want nice helms if i was going to go slannesh, i would most likely use an ivory colour on the edges of the armour instead of gold.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/02 19:44:14
Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/10/02 23:55:15
Subject: Re:What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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 Grey Templar wrote:Yes, but they arn't.
In 40k they are more durable(toughness boost) but in Fantesy its a -1WS or BS penelty for models attacking them(either in BtB or when shooting).
Which in turn seems more like what Slaanesh should be... 
lol, GW... you mixed them all up!  Automatically Appended Next Post: Gabrial Seth wrote:i want nice helms if i was going to go slannesh, i would most likely use an ivory colour on the edges of the armour instead of gold.
What about Dark Elves? Or, Eldar/Dark Eldar from 40K. Those designs are more in keeping with the Slaaneshii Lord/Hero models, if that's the kind of look you're after.
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Homebrew Imperial Guard: 1222nd Etrurian Lancers (Winged); Special Air-Assault Brigade (SAAB)
Homebrew Chaos: The Black Suns; A Medrengard Militia (think Iron Warriors-centric Blood Pact/Sons of Sek) |
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2012/10/03 05:38:42
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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yea GW really did, either way it is cool
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Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/10/07 05:46:07
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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so im getting there, i decided i want an army that is hard to paint, and is challenging.
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during my 6 month MA program i need something for my 20 minutes of painting a day
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Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/10/11 05:00:07
Subject: What army is the opposite in play style to the VC
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Regular Dakkanaut
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which means beastmen, empire, wood elves that is what it is narrowed down to
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Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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