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Hi All

Just wondering if anyone has issue with eStryker as a Menoth player?

I seem to always get the jump on me! Basically it seems to go Spell + feet + charge + Reach! Then Overload = 2 hit it's over! As a Menoth player I am really struggling to get the distance covered with my slow jacks or Warcaster!

I would love any expert advice on this one!

Loon

Unfortunately you have placed your question in the wrong section of the forum. You should ask a mod to move it to the warmachine general discussion section. This particular forum is for rules questions.

Hmm, what you using in your army? and what does your opponent generally use?

The major thing to do is stop the charge lane. Striker can come from odd angles with velocity changing his position before charging which makes this more difficult but Protectorate can place bodies in the way that can be very hard to remove. Bastions and Exemplar Errants (including the senechal) can stay in the charge lane of striker and prevent the assassination. Gorman Di Wulfe can give Kreoss a cloud to hide behind. So you have options.

Tactics wise, get as much damage on striker as you can before he overcharges. Each wound makes it more likely that striker will kill himself. Also make sure you're playing with scenarios as they can help you to win without needing to get close to striker. Final point Kreoss1 has lamentation which will reduce the amount of focus striker has available.

I've tried throw heaps of Exemplar errants to clutter charge lanes, but he clears them out with jacks, black 13 then its the same sequence, velocity + feat + charge and so on! His got one hell of a threat range!

Sounds like Bastions would be a good choice to screen Kreoss and take some of that punishment!

I've almost got him with POP & DROP! To something like 3 boxes left! It prevents him from using "overload" but damn my focus is all spent on the redeemer from those nukes!

Loon

I'm a cygnar player and I've been beaten by protectorate using highly defensive and control-based lists before. If I want to deliver Stryker to his target I need an angle of approach to get there. The attack vector need not be straight thanks to velocity but Stryker needs room for his base and minimal free strikes, keep that in mind when you position your army. Don't be afraid to run your own guys at criss-crossing angles after deployment to scramble what ever he had planned initially.
When the cygnar player tries to set up for the kill he relies on his unsupported army to make the lane of attack Stryker will use, if you wear the rest of the army out and dictate the terms at which they can fight you, you'll have a big advantage.
Remember eStryker is an assassin more than a beatstick. While he can charge in and wreck two jacks as easily as he can go for the caster kill, he will be far too exposed after a turn like that and will usually hang back until he turns himself into a caster-killing ninja.

Thx for all the info guys!

Looks like I've gotta get some Bastions put together pretty quickly! As we have been playing some leagues etc we all have been running a lot of 15pt games. Bastions seem to be an expensive option!

Sounds like a really good idea to tie up some of his units and sacrifice some of mine to block some of these charge lanes!

Loon

What points level are you typically playing and what models do you have access to?

Something like a redeemer can be a good solution to the Black 13th, which is killing your screen. The Redeemer outhreats them by more than an inch, by a full 5" if they want to be able to brutal damage... which they really need to get a good kill rate vs Errants. You don't need to directly hit anything just catch one of them under a template, a boosted blast trashes their puny ARM 11. Even if you don't scatter onto any of his buddies with 3 shots, you've got 70% chance of clipping the target you're aiming at.

Cygnar 'jacks good at mowing down infantry at range tend to be kind of fail at taking down heavy armor. Cast Defender's Ward on the avatar and ram that thing down his throat. It's an ARM23 heavy that can't be disrupted, isn't tied to your control area and at MAT 8 P+S 19 doesn't really need choir support (even if it is a rather lulzy MAT 10 with). It even always gets at least 2 focus, which means it can always shake off + run or charge so knockdown does nothing to keep it out of the fight.

EDIT: 15 points? You're really in a bad spot. Super-solo type casters tend to shine at those levels as there isn't as much army to contend with. HOnestly the avatar option could still be pretty LOL. Kreoss + Avatar + Choir + Vassal is 15 points. Use your 'Jack points on like I dunno a freaking Vigilant and just hide behind it parked in the rear of your deployment zone. Send the avatar forth as a single model Army, gaze of menoth will keep Styker from just ignoring him. He won't be packing enough heat to take a DW+Enliven on the avatar.

 Chongara wrote:
What points level are you typically playing and what models do you have access to?

Something like a redeemer can be a good solution to the Black 13th, which is killing your screen. The Redeemer outhreats them by more than an inch, by a full 5" if they want to be able to brutal damage... which they really need to get a good kill rate vs Errants. You don't need to directly hit anything just catch one of them under a template, a boosted blast trashes their puny ARM 11. Even if you don't scatter onto any of his buddies with 3 shots, you've got 70% chance of clipping the target you're aiming at.

Cygnar 'jacks good at mowing down infantry at range tend to be kind of fail at taking down heavy armor. Cast Defender's Ward on the avatar and ram that thing down his throat. It's an ARM23 heavy that can't be disrupted, isn't tied to your control area and at MAT 8 P+S 19 doesn't really need choir support. It even always gets at least 2 focus, which means it can always shake off + run or charge so knockdown does nothing to keep it out of the fight.

Trust me I love the Avatar! Problem is his 11pts and you can't use warjack points to reduce the cost x_x !!! I would love to pay 25pt or 35pt but we usually try to get as many games as we can during the league to rack up our gaming points!

Just a rough 15pt list I came up with!

PKreoss +5 Warjack points!
Redeemer -6pts
Bastions (3 Man) - 5pts
Crusader - 6pts
Choir (4 Man) - 2pts - Need this to buff the redeemer!
Vassal Mechanik - 1pt

Loon

 loongor wrote:

Trust me I love the Avatar! Problem is his 11pts and you can't use warjack points to reduce the cost x_x !!! I would love to pay 25pt or 35pt but we usually try to get as many games as we can during the league to rack up our gaming points!

Oh yeah it's a super gimmicky play at 15pts. However he's probably not packing anything other than Stryker who can even damage the thing. Stryker gets only one attack on it, due to enilven and HAS to move towards it due to gaze of menoth. Even if he cripples burning wrath, the shield is still more than enough to punch his Puny face in. DW Avatar is just silly at 15 points and can be near impossible to deal with. Really 15pts in general is the realm of the gimmick lists, the game really doesn't work well at those points levels. You're either packing an answer to the one thing your opponent is focusing on or not, it's like playing rock-paper-scissors.

The eStryker list seems to be something like the below.

eStryker
Black 13th
Ironclad
Charger
Storm Blade (6 Man) + Storm gunner Attachment

You need to play higher points values so you can get more of your units and support.

15 points in barely past battlebox and should'nt be played much more than a learning experience. So consider this your learning experience and work up to 25 or 35 points. If you are only able to play 15 points and are continually playing against only this force iw ould ask them to mix it up for you so you have the chance to learn how to fight some other casters and forces.

As others pointed out estrykler is quite powerful in a 15 point environment. Find other people to play or ask them to mix it up so you can see how other things work out.