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2012/09/30 20:44:10
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Hi,
I was just wondering whether you could give me some information about a rule please.
Feel no pain rule - does the feel no pain rule give your opponent an invulnerable save if they don't have that save?
Example:
Grey knights psycannon rolls a 6 to wound which you would have to make an invulnerable save, against a blood angels assault marine squad with a sag priest which gives feel no pain. None of these have an invulnerable save. Would this assault marines use the feel no pain rule to save them selfs?
Thank you,
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/09/30 20:49:47
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2012/09/30 20:48:23
Subject: Fell No Pain Rule
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Page 35 in the BRB for the full FNP rules.
FNP is not an invulnerable save, and it does not give you an invulnerable save. (FNP is not a save of any kind, but it does create an unsaved wound).
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2012/09/30 20:49:08
Subject: Fell No Pain Rule
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Feel No Pain is not a save, nor does it confer a save. It is just an extra chance to keep from being wounded.
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2012/09/30 20:49:24
Subject: Fell No Pain Rule
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Confessor Of Sins
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Feel No Pain is specifically not a save and is only denied by Instant Death, read page 35, 3rd column.
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2012/09/30 21:01:25
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Screaming Shining Spear
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It's not an invulnerable save (or a "save" of any type, by the rules) but it is a roll you get to make after failing (or not being allowed to take) another save, unless the attack would cause instant death.
So in short, yes, even if not allowed your armor save, you can still roll FnP, but no, it is not an invulnerable save.
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2012/09/30 21:34:52
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you care eternal warriors can lose FNP by what would be instant death. Dante must have eternal warrior and can get FNP, if you want an example.
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2012/09/30 21:46:56
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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You can never take a FNP roll for a wound that inflicts Instant Death.
Even models with Eternal Warrior can not take a FNP roll for a wound that inflicts Instant Death.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/09/30 21:47:09
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
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2012/09/30 22:12:01
Subject: Re:Feel No Pain Rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Fine, Ghaz. with nob with pain boy would be questionable 
Obviously he would lose FNP but it isn't completely clear.
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2012/09/30 22:18:06
Subject: Re:Feel No Pain Rule
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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MFletch wrote:Fine, Ghaz. with nob with pain boy would be questionable
Obviously he would lose FNP but it isn't completely clear.
The FAQ makes it completely clear.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/10/01 00:02:18
Subject: Re:Feel No Pain Rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I am playing devils advocate so you can leave it. Stop reading now.
St10 weapon hits ghaz.
Suppose The weapon does have instant death special rule.
Suppose Ghaz. has FNP.
Ghaz. is immune to instant death so the st10 does not inflict instant death.[double strength is done wound per wound, model per model, the st10 is allocated to Ghaz. but doesn't inflict instant death as he is immune as per codex]
Not inflicting instant death means FNP still can happen.[exact wording of FNP]
Essentially we needed a FAQ as it wasn't clear how Eternal warrior and FNP related, if you say it was clear before hand then you check these very forums for one.
We have the same debate as they only have covered instant death special rule and eternal warrior. If Ghaz. had eternal warrior it would be clear cut.
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2012/10/01 00:24:51
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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It was clear before the FAQ.
This is because FNP not being able to be used against ID wounds was not an effect of Instant Death. It was a restriction within the FNP rule itself.
and as we know EW only ignores the effects of ID, which not getting FNP is not amongst ID's effects.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/10/01 00:25:57
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/10/01 14:55:20
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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 DeathReaper wrote:It was clear before the FAQ.
This is because FNP not being able to be used against ID wounds was not an effect of Instant Death. It was a restriction within the FNP rule itself.
and as we know EW only ignores the effects of ID, which not getting FNP is not amongst ID's effects.
about 13 pages of YMDC would disagree it was obvious - but it is now due to the FAQ
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2012/10/01 15:10:05
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Lieutenant General
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The FAQ did not change what the rules said in the first place.
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2012/10/01 15:12:15
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Missionary On A Mission
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 RFHolloway wrote: DeathReaper wrote:It was clear before the FAQ.
This is because FNP not being able to be used against ID wounds was not an effect of Instant Death. It was a restriction within the FNP rule itself.
and as we know EW only ignores the effects of ID, which not getting FNP is not amongst ID's effects.
about 13 pages of YMDC would disagree it was obvious - but it is now due to the FAQ
Ah yes. I remember that thread well. I'm glad they finally FAQ'd it. I cant belive they didnt include it in the main rulebook since it was an issue last edition as well.
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2012/10/01 18:03:51
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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RFHolloway wrote: DeathReaper wrote:It was clear before the FAQ.
This is because FNP not being able to be used against ID wounds was not an effect of Instant Death. It was a restriction within the FNP rule itself.
and as we know EW only ignores the effects of ID, which not getting FNP is not amongst ID's effects.
about 13 pages of YMDC would disagree it was obvious - but it is now due to the FAQ
It was only not so obvious because people Ignored the rules quotes, and had no quotes to the contrary.
They did not understand the rules as presented and that led them to believe that taking FNP on an EW could be done all the time. How they did not understand the rules after they were explained I will never be able to guess.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/10/01 18:06:00
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DeathReaper wrote: RFHolloway wrote: DeathReaper wrote:It was clear before the FAQ.
This is because FNP not being able to be used against ID wounds was not an effect of Instant Death. It was a restriction within the FNP rule itself.
and as we know EW only ignores the effects of ID, which not getting FNP is not amongst ID's effects.
about 13 pages of YMDC would disagree it was obvious - but it is now due to the FAQ
It was only not so obvious because people Ignored the rules quotes, and had no quotes to the contrary.
They did not understand the rules as presented and that led them to believe that taking FNP on an EW could be done all the time. How they did not understand the rules after they were explained I will never be able to guess.
You've been wrong on rulings too, DR. Lets not turn this into a TFG post. The OP's question was asked and answered.
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2012/10/01 18:07:28
Subject: Feel No Pain Rule
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Maybe initially, as we all make mistakes sometimes, but not in the end after things are explained using rules quotes to back things up.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/01 18:07:47
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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