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OK, I'd like a ruling on this as I'm preparing to take an Ork army into the fray and would like to head off any objections.

So, Ghaz makes Mega Nobz, or Nobz troops choices (one or the other to be clear). So as I read it, either unit can claim objectives as troops with no restrictions under 6th. Am I correct?

Secondly. For example, I have Ghaz attached to a unit of Mega Nobz. They (the Mega Nobz) are selected as troops. They get onto an objective, and Everybody dies except one Mega Nob. Is he still scoring as Ghaz has passed to the great Waaagh?

I would say that they are still scoring, but again, would like verification.

Couldn't find anything on this on a search. My apologies if this is an old subject.

Thanks in advance.

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They category doesn't change if Ghaz dies. And yes, anything that counts as Troops is scoring unless some other rule specifically says otherwise (as in the case of vehicles), because they are counting as Troops.

 insaniak wrote:
They category doesn't change if Ghaz dies. And yes, anything that counts as Troops is scoring unless some other rule specifically says otherwise (as in the case of vehicles), because they are counting as Troops.

So under "big guns never tire" makes heavy support scoring. Does that make vehicles scoring as well? i played a game where they claimed since heavy support counts as scoring their vehicles counted for scoring. I thought infantry were the only one able to capture objectives. I know vehicles can contest objectives.

Funk3140 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
They category doesn't change if Ghaz dies. And yes, anything that counts as Troops is scoring unless some other rule specifically says otherwise (as in the case of vehicles), because they are counting as Troops.

So under "big guns never tire" makes heavy support scoring. Does that make vehicles scoring as well? i played a game where they claimed since heavy support counts as scoring their vehicles counted for scoring. I thought infantry were the only one able to capture objectives.

Page 128 Last Sentence.

I know vehicles can contest objectives.

Page 123, last paragraph.

Funk3140 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
They category doesn't change if Ghaz dies. And yes, anything that counts as Troops is scoring unless some other rule specifically says otherwise (as in the case of vehicles), because they are counting as Troops.

So under "big guns never tire" makes heavy support scoring. Does that make vehicles scoring as well? i played a game where they claimed since heavy support counts as scoring their vehicles counted for scoring. I thought infantry were the only one able to capture objectives. I know vehicles can contest objectives.

The Big Guns never tire mission explicitly says HS are scoring, even if they are vehicles.

Fragile wrote:

Funk3140 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
They category doesn't change if Ghaz dies. And yes, anything that counts as Troops is scoring unless some other rule specifically says otherwise (as in the case of vehicles), because they are counting as Troops.

So under "big guns never tire" makes heavy support scoring. Does that make vehicles scoring as well? i played a game where they claimed since heavy support counts as scoring their vehicles counted for scoring. I thought infantry were the only one able to capture objectives.

Page 128 Last Sentence.

I know vehicles can contest objectives.

Page 123, last paragraph.

Thanks a lot you have enlightened me.

 insaniak wrote:
They category doesn't change if Ghaz dies. And yes, anything that counts as Troops is scoring unless some other rule specifically says otherwise (as in the case of vehicles), because they are counting as Troops.

Thanks very much.

Not all Troops are Scoring.

i only discovered in a game the other day that Death Company are counted as Troops but are not Scorign so they can't capture an objective.

Annoyed my opponent no-end as they were the only unit he had close by and we were playing The Relic. he just had to sit there looking at the objective.

That's only because DC have a specific exception in their entry that stops them from being scoring.

dey just too angry!!

Or ripper swarms. They is too hungry...

And 4th ed Lictors. They is too..uhh...sneaky?

Or wolves from space wolves which can be made troops. the Scourging also lets vehicles score if they are from fast attack.

 White Ninja wrote:
Or wolves from space wolves which can be made troops. the Scourging also lets vehicles score if they are from fast attack.

Not fenrisian wolves. They never count. See page 91 of the codex.

Remember too, that in the Big Gunz Never Tire mission that Heavies do score, but if it is a vehicle heavy it does not contest.

For example, if I have a Ravager on an objective and you decide to move up your Long Fangs to the objective, you would actually capture the objective and I would get nothing out of it as vehicles can never deny objectives.

SCP Yeeman wrote:
Remember too, that in the Big Gunz Never Tire mission that Heavies do score, but if it is a vehicle heavy it does not contest.

For example, if I have a Ravager on an objective and you decide to move up your Long Fangs to the objective, you would actually capture the objective and I would get nothing out of it as vehicles can never deny objectives.

Unless its big enough to sit on the objective and not let the enemy get within 3"

Fragile wrote:

SCP Yeeman wrote:
Remember too, that in the Big Gunz Never Tire mission that Heavies do score, but if it is a vehicle heavy it does not contest.

For example, if I have a Ravager on an objective and you decide to move up your Long Fangs to the objective, you would actually capture the objective and I would get nothing out of it as vehicles can never deny objectives.

Unless its big enough to sit on the objective and not let the enemy get within 3"

Go Landraiders

So, how is it that the Heavy Metal rule, making a vehicle a scoring unit, doesn't trump the "vehicles can't contest" rule? Scoring units do contest. Or are you going to say that Bjorn the Fell-Handed couldn't contest if he got the Immovable Object Warlord trait?

Because Scoring unit =/= denial unit. They are quite explicitly different. And yes, Bjorn would not be a denial unit if he got Immovable Object.

So, does a deff dread (made a troops choice by a Big Mek) count as scoring?

 edbradders wrote:
So, does a deff dread (made a troops choice by a Big Mek) count as scoring?

No, it's a vehicle with no special allowance. Vehicles during Big Guns Never Tire have a special allowance and are therefore scoring.

That is correct. Just like Deathcompany Dreadnoughts arn't scoring. Not because they're Deathcompany, but because they're a vehicle.

I did have a somewhat tangential question that came up recently which I didn't know how to resolve.

Due to wanting moar gunz, I bought a razorback for a devastator squad. I then, of course, got Big Guns never tire and now became confused over whether the razor was scoring or not...

As it is part of a devastator squad, then yes.