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 Sersi wrote:
Wow, these minis are all over the place. The war alter looks like its was assembled randomly from a bitz-box. The Hell Knights are solid though. The characters range from all right to WTF? The Hellstriders are lazier that the Seeker and Chariots were: whips from the Slaanesh Chariot, mounts from the Seekers box, legs from Dark Elves, and shields lifted from Sigvald and the Champion on Boobworm. Their pose so relaxed you'd think they were riding in a parade, rather than charging across a battlefield. Oh well, there are still plenty of bits to salvage for my Slaaneshi Daemons and Emperor Children. Would have be nice if they were mounted of plastic Boobworms or Fiends though.

While I agree that the Hellstriders were a lazy sculpt, I cant help but feel like the pose isn't half bad... depending on how you look at it. While they are being used in a "battle," we're still talking about Slaanesh here. A bunch of self-indulged, gaudy, overly excessive guys riding some ravishing otherworldy mounts. Honestly, they could probably care less that they're even fighting so long as they look good... hell, they probably think they're in a parade!

Knights on fiends for counts-as Skullcrushers isn't a half bad idea though...

I like that Valkia isn't festooned with Chaos icons. I can file off the few on her, give her a head, base and shield swap, and have a perfectly good armoured female vampire with wings. The wings are definitely bat-like enough.

I think we should probably wait for better pictures, before total judgement.

Some of the Chaos stuff, looked much better with updated pictures, some looked worse (The Dragon, to me).

Things look alright, for the moment.

Aside from what has already been said, why the hell is the White Dwarf figure a movie director? I could make a joke about too many executives watering things down to a thin joke of a former glory, but I will just go with 'LoTR/The Hobbit ruins everything'.

Also, Jervis onna crutch, is that White Dwarf cover terrible or what?

Belverker over at Warseer wrote:The Bloodcrushers and this new unit are the same price in Australia...and unfortunately at least in Aus we won't get the rules supplement until the December issue as it didn't make it in time. Not sure if this is true for the rest of the world or not.
(...)Was shown an email to my local store from GW Aus

And here a concept sketch of Scyla

 -Loki- wrote:
I like that Valkia isn't festooned with Chaos icons. I can file off the few on her, give her a head, base and shield swap, and have a perfectly good armoured female vampire with wings. The wings are definitely bat-like enough.

Hey, that's a good idea. I could make an 'ascended' version of my current female Vampire Lord.

To Hell with the Chaos WoC (well maybe except the Juggernauts), I want the White Dwarf Director.

That's not what I had in mind when I imagined a warshrine. It's a mess. It looks like they didn't want to make it overtly dedicated to one god so they made it not devoted to anything.
Those khorne knights also look amazingly boring, like a patchwork of blood crushers and chaos knights with champion heads. They look more like a moderately-skilled conversion than an official release. Since most of the more recent fantasy releases have been really amazing, this one looks really lackluster by comparison.

Juggers are ok, I'm not really interested in the other stuff. Not having a chariot has been a big letdown.

Warshrine looks like it was made by 4 different people.

 Aerethan wrote:
I agree that there is a huge disparity between FW sculpt quality and design and GW's.

Perhaps that has to do with lead times, but GW could just as well start sculpting things even further ahead of time.

Ironically, the Warhammer Forge sculptors have far less time to produce a figure than the studio sculptors

Juggers look pretty good, I actually like Scyla quite a bit from what I can see.

Warshrine........................... whooops . I wonder if the dragon ogres will be that bad, as rumored...

The sad thing about the Warshrine is that they could have simply taken a Thundertusk, put a random chaos character on top with a suitable banner, and it would have looked about ten times better.

If only I could get the dwarf director without having to buy him off eBay or get a subscription to white dwarf. Would be a fun add on to a dwarf bloodbowl team. But as it would be too much on eBay I guess its a pass.

The HöllenJäger des Slaanesh look so awkward because the crazy chickens look small compared to the riders, and the dangling legs never looked good in the first place. Same as with their Daemonic counterpart.

The Warshrine probably has lots of options we haven't seen yet, and putting the Khorne symbol on the not so Khorne looking/painted one could just be a studio feth-up they didn't have time to correct before it had to be photographed for WD.

Also, I guess the size of the base will probably make a lot of people's own builds/conversions useless?


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 His Master's Voice wrote:
The sad thing about the Warshrine is that they could have simply taken a Thundertusk, put a random chaos character on top with a suitable banner, and it would have looked about ten times better.

Maybe put the top/howda-thing on a Stonehorn or converted Thundertusk.

I don't know if it would work out or if the Stonehorn fits on the Warshrine base, but it could be the start of something.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Belverker over at Warseer wrote:The Bloodcrushers and this new unit are the same price in Australia...and unfortunately at least in Aus we won't get the rules supplement until the December issue as it didn't make it in time. Not sure if this is true for the rest of the world or not.
(...)Was shown an email to my local store from GW Aus

And here a concept sketch of Scyla

Nice!

He needs to be painted in purple and green!

Quick, someone 'shop that up for us!

As an aside, I can build a far more dynamic Valkia with a DE Scourge set and a chaos knight shield.

Which I just might do.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The sad thing about the Warshrine is that they could have simply taken a Thundertusk, put a random chaos character on top with a suitable banner, and it would have looked about ten times better.

True. But the entire, slightly more "gritty" theme of bloodthirsty, furs-&-axes Warrior Hordes from the icy north (with only a sprinkling of eye-searing-mad-colours-Chaos) seems to have gone in favour of a full-out-weirdness-aesthetic that is closer to a full-fledged Daemons army than a "warrior horde" army.

I am really not impressed with the models, the jugs look solid and I really like the nurgle poo poo guy. Was thinking about getting a warshine for my chaos dwarfs but that thing is a mess.

Really scared what 2013 holds for fantasy if this is the quality we get. Guess we'll see when High elves are released.

 pities2004 wrote:
the jugs look solid

I always thought Valkia had a pretty face...
She was described having that, and the art had it allright.
The miniature though..

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I take it back.

I don't want any of that for my Chaos Space Marine army.

Not even the Cultist set of 5?

Nah. I'll buy some DV Cultist bundles off ebay for cheaper if I wanted a squad of the!

I'll probably just do Traitor Legion Guard with Cadian models and Pig Iron head swaps.

And here a concept sketch of Scyla


Nice!

He needs to be painted in purple and green!

Quick, someone 'shop that up for us!

Your wish is my command

Spoiler:

Crude, but then so's the sculpt

I don't know what's going on, last month I thought of Dinoriders, this month it's a cross between the Incredible Hulk & Donkey Kong drinking down their steroids with Red Bull. I can see what they were trying to do, maybe, but he's not gribbly enough for me, even with the Tremor tongue as a tail

 illuknisaa wrote:
Warshrine looks like it was made by 4 different people.

This, the whole thing looks confused in style. I don't think the pastel paintjob helps.

I'm really digging the juggernaut knights and Valkia however.

That is one awful White Dwarf color. I miss the epic artwork days....

 thenoobbomb wrote:
I always thought Valkia had a pretty face...
She was described having that, and the art had it allright.
The miniature though..

I have to agree with you there, especially after having read the novel. While the rest of the model is great, I believe a head swap is in order.

I like that!


I agree that all releases of the last two months are strangely uninspired and just boring. And all change the grimdark Chaos aesthetic into something toylike. The howda theme is totally overdone and this one is the low point. A converted Thundertusk, as said, looks way better and fits the warrior theme much better. Why should ice warriors carry a flimsy metal bar construct with them, carried by almost naked mutants? The riders have not a single new idea on them, the characters are meh, Scyla especially has the weird anatomics and pseudo-fur so loved by its sculptor (see manticore).

Oh, and Scyla has a special rule (no, not a Hulk smash ):
Its tail (naughty double meaning in German) has a rabid mouth with a life of its own

 Kroothawk wrote:
I like that!


I agree that all releases of the last two months are strangely uninspired and just boring. And all change the grimdark Chaos aesthetic into something toylike. The howda theme is totally overdone and this one is the low point. A converted Thundertusk, as said, looks way better and fits the warrior theme much better. Why should ice warriors carry a flimsy metal bar construct with them, carried by almost naked mutants? The riders have not a single new idea on them, the characters are meh, Scyla especially has the weird anatomics and pseudo-fur so loved by its sculptor (see manticore).

Oh, and Scyla has a special rule (no, not a Hulk smash ):
Its tail (naughty double meaning in German) has a rabid mouth with a life of its own

Honestly there's no issue with the warshrine model as far as components go. Though the pricing may be a little steep (probably costing the same as the empire warshrine but with less possiblities/model parts) I see a wealth of possible uses:

- Shrine bearers: Tzeentch chaos trolls or even spawn if that tickles your fancy. Also works as unit fillers for a DoC unit or WoC.
- Front of shrine: Do I see a golden mega-gutplate for ogres? Or perhaps a super awesome banner?
- Shrine keeper: Perhaps a Dark Apostle or cultist leader for 40k? All I see is a WoC chaos sorceror with the Death Gead/Skull of Katam.
- Totem: Variable banner for your WoC for either your chosen unit (showing their mark) and in general looking badass. Also makes a great unit filler.

After that there's axes, braziers, and perhaps a giant metal deathtrap all useful for terrain.

Probably not useful unless you're starting a WoC army but nonetheless has uses if you think you can get more out of it in parts (2 trolls and a character and a banner) than its actual cost.

Still not liking the aesthetic direction, I complete agree on that point, however it does look like they just crammed bits together from left right and centre so I see no issue in breaking it apart again.

Gah. That warshrine is terrible. What a mess.

As for the rest I'm with everyone else, the Khorne stuff is solid enough; the Slaanesh riders look unbalanced. (As do the Ogre Mournfang riders and the daemonic Slaanesh riders - has no-one at GW ever ridden a horse?)

There's a theory in art that you should keep taking things away until you get to the bare minimum needed to suggest what you wanted to portray.

And then there's the theory that if you just keep sticking crap on something it'll somehow get better. 8th edition WHFB sculpts have gone too far in that direction IMO.

I agree Val will need a head swap. Maybe with something from malifaux or kingdoms of death...