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Here's a list of scenarios and i'd like you guys to answer wether the warriors, cryptek or lord with res. orb can perform a reanimation protocols roll.

1. Unit of 10 Warriors + Lord with res.orb + Cryptek. All warriors and Lord are killed, who may roll RP?

1. Unit of 10 Warriors + Lord with res.orb + Cryptek. Entire unit is killed, who may roll RP?

1. Unit of 10 Warriors + Lord with res.orb + Cryptek. All warriors killed, who may roll RP?

1. Unit of 10 Warriors + Lord with res.orb + Cryptek. All warriors and Cryptek are killed, who may roll RP?

1. Lord with res.orb. Lord is killed in combat by a mob of enemies that consolidate all around his RP counter, covering a radious of 4" around it, who may roll RP?

1. Everyone. Edit: I was wrong, only The Lord.
2. Only The Lord and Cryptek.
3. Everyone. Edit: I was wrong, only The Lord and cryptek.
4. Everyone. Edit: I was wrong, only cryptek.
5. Assuming the rest of the unit is alive, everyone.

1: Only the Lord. The Cryptek is a character, and as such may not give the warriors their RP (bottom paragraph under the section on reanimation protocols, pg 29)
2: Only the Lord and Cryptek due to ever living.
3: No one
4: Cryptek
5: Ehh, tricky one. It really depends on placement. If the lord can not be safely placed within 3" of where he was killed, then he stays dead.
EDIT: Oh wait, do you mean if the unit he was attached to is destroyed? If so, then refer to point 5. If his unit is still alive, then he may still make his roll. If it succeeds, then he joins his unit and continue CC.

On question #5 there is only a Lord, no warriors/cryptek. Just a lord by himself with res.orb who loses a combat dies and unit he was engaged with consolidates around him.

Is he still able to come back even though he has no place within 3" of his counter that is 1" away from enemies.

EDIT:
So why are the warriors not allowed to make a reanimation protocols roll if they have a lord + cryptek in unit still alive?

The royal court becomes fully part of the unit they join for intents and purposes doesn't it? Like a space marine sergeant if you will, so wouldn't the warriors still get RP even if they all get wipded out but the lord/cryptek are still standing?

 Akaiyou wrote:
On question #5 there is only a Lord, no warriors/cryptek. Just a lord by himself with res.orb who loses a combat dies and unit he was engaged with consolidates around him.

Is he still able to come back even though he has no place within 3" of his counter that is 1" away from enemies.

Nope. He stays dead.

If all enemies are exactly 4" from his counter, shouldn't he be able to spawn directly on his counter?

EDIT: Never mind, I misunderstood the question.

PrinceOfMadness wrote:
If all enemies are exactly 4" from his counter, shouldn't he be able to spawn directly on his counter?

They would be surrounding the area around his counter in a 4" radious. Orks can easily do such a thing after consolidating from a combat.

Also

So why are the warriors not allowed to make a reanimation protocols roll if they have a lord + cryptek in unit still alive?

The royal court becomes fully part of the unit they join for intents and purposes doesn't it? Like a space marine sergeant if you will, so wouldn't the warriors still get RP even if they all get wipded out but the lord/cryptek are still standing?

 Akaiyou wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:
If all enemies are exactly 4" from his counter, shouldn't he be able to spawn directly on his counter?

They would be surrounding the area around his counter in a 4" radious. Orks can easily do such a thing after consolidating from a combat.

Also

So why are the warriors not allowed to make a reanimation protocols roll if they have a lord + cryptek in unit still alive?

The royal court becomes fully part of the unit they join for intents and purposes doesn't it? Like a space marine sergeant if you will, so wouldn't the warriors still get RP even if they all get wipded out but the lord/cryptek are still standing?

Nope. The RP rules specifically state that characters do not count as part of the unit for purposes of RP.
Lords and Crypteks are characters.

True, could've sworn that i read somewhere that they allowed it with members of the royal court joining a unit. Maybe it was on FAQ or something -shrugs-

Thanks for your answers. Learn something new every day

Typically, consolidating over the EL token(s) so that they cannot respawn within 3" is the best way to make sure they stay dead.

Fragile wrote:
Typically, consolidating over the EL token(s) so that they cannot respawn within 3" is the best way to make sure they stay dead.

But very difficult to pull off with anything but the larger units available in 40k.

Not really, only takes about 5-6 models on small bases. 1 on the token and the rest in a circle around him. The EL model has to return within 3" of the token and stay 1" away from any enemy model, so you can cover a lot of area with a single model.

Fragile wrote:
Not really, only takes about 5-6 models on small bases. 1 on the token and the rest in a circle around him. The EL model has to return within 3" of the token and stay 1" away from any enemy model, so you can cover a lot of area with a single model.

This presuming you roll well on the consolidate and were already positioned for such a maneuver.

And a Destroyer Lords token could be as large as his base.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
And a Destroyer Lords token could be as large as his base.

I don't think that's how it works, nothing says the tokens are the size of the base and I believe the rule book gives guidelines on the size of tokens.

It does not. However it is based on the spot where the model dropped at and that spot is the size of the downed models base.

Regardless, if he drops in CC, the token will be in BTB with someone. He has to spawn within 3" and still be 1" away from an enemy. Therefore you need a rough circle 2.1" around that token. A 3+ consolidation roll will pretty much guarantee it.

As long as you have enough models. Which IIRC needs ~8 models or so, on 25mm anyway.

Fragile wrote:
Regardless, if he drops in CC, the token will be in BTB with someone. He has to spawn within 3" and still be 1" away from an enemy. Therefore you need a rough circle 2.1" around that token. A 3+ consolidation roll will pretty much guarantee it.

If he drops in CC he consolidates into the combat when he resurrects, the 3" doesn't matter.


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 Mannahnin wrote:
As long as you have enough models. Which IIRC needs ~8 models or so, on 25mm anyway.

In a game of math hammer, yes. In the game of 40k, not as easy as it seems.

Not if the unit is dead.

Fragile wrote:
Not if the unit is dead.

Then you wouldn't be consolidating 3". It would be D6 and your placement would need to be perfect to cover the area needed to prevent resurrection AND you would have to have enough survivors to cover that area. Good luck!

You failed to read the posts your responding to. Its really not that hard to do.

Fragile wrote:
You failed to read the posts your responding to. Its really not that hard to do.

No that would be your failure. In theory your idea is sound. It practice it is not.

Fragile wrote:
Regardless, if he drops in CC, the token will be in BTB with someone. He has to spawn within 3" and still be 1" away from an enemy. Therefore you need a rough circle 2.1" around that token. A 3+ consolidation roll will pretty much guarantee it.

Then you wouldn't be consolidating 3". It would be D6 and your placement would need to be perfect to cover the area needed to prevent resurrection AND you would have to have enough survivors to cover that area. Good luck!

What part of the bold part didn't you understand when you replied then?

No that would be your failure. In theory your idea is sound. It practice it is not.

Maybe with whatever your playing, but I have no problems doing it. The only downside is wasting the consolidation move to do it.

Fragile wrote:

Fragile wrote:
Regardless, if he drops in CC, the token will be in BTB with someone. He has to spawn within 3" and still be 1" away from an enemy. Therefore you need a rough circle 2.1" around that token. A 3+ consolidation roll will pretty much guarantee it.

Then you wouldn't be consolidating 3". It would be D6 and your placement would need to be perfect to cover the area needed to prevent resurrection AND you would have to have enough survivors to cover that area. Good luck!

What part of the bold part didn't you understand when you replied then?

No that would be your failure. In theory your idea is sound. It practice it is not.

Maybe with whatever your playing, but I have no problems doing it. The only downside is wasting the consolidation move to do it.

And AGAIN assuming ideal conditions in a perfect situation, involving no terrain in a vacuum and an ideal amount of survivors and a good consolidation roll from a perfectly setup squad that also happens to have enough survivors left over, your theory is sound. However that is rare and if it is happening often then your opponents are incompetent or you aren't playing correctly.

The models have to be in the right area, there have to be enough of them, and a sufficient Consolidate roll.

Which i find happens quite a lot. Terminators make it even easier to do.

Btw in the example i posted the lord is fighting on his own versus a mob....so given the example i gave it can't be that hard once he dies because the mob shoudl already be surrounding him.

But thanks for the answers anyway fellas.

I think the character thing on crypteks and lords is a change from 5th. They weren't characters in 5th

 Akaiyou wrote:
Btw in the example i posted the lord is fighting on his own versus a mob....so given the example i gave it can't be that hard once he dies because the mob shoudl already be surrounding him.

But thanks for the answers anyway fellas.

I think the character thing on crypteks and lords is a change from 5th. They weren't characters in 5th

Yes they were. Just being a character didn't matter except for a few special rules. In 6th it is much more important for allot more rules.

It's how it worked in 5th, it hasn't changed.

If an entire unit of warriors dies save for the royal court additions, it doesn't get its RP rolls. Exactly how it worked in 5th. Nothing's changed.

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Now you're 5th point is interesting. Lords & Crypteks have both Everliving AND Reanimation Protocols. The lord should be able to rez anywhere within coherency of the unit he was with, right?