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First the lists:

List 1
Spoiler:

Teclis (Shadow) 475

Caradryan 175
Noble (GW, BSB, Armor of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix) 168
Mage lvl 1 ( Sigil of Asuryan, High Magic) 140

33 Spearmen (FC, Banner of Eternal Flame) 332
30 Spearmen (FC) 295

44 White Lions (FC, Skeinsliver , Banner of Sorcery) 765

3 x Great Eagle 150


List 2
Spoiler:

Teclis (Life) 475

Noble (GW, BSB, Armor of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix) 168

67 Spearmen (FC, Banner of Eternal Flame) 638

64 White Lions (FC, Skeinsliver , Banner of Sorcery) 1065

3 x Great Eagle 150


List 3
Spoiler:

Teclis (Shadow) 475

Caradryan 175
Noble (GW, BSB, Armor of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix) 168

33 Spearmen (FC, Banner of Eternal Flame) 332
30 Spearmen (FC) 295

30 White Lions (FC, Amulet of Light , Banner of Sorcery) 555
20 Phoenix Guard (FC, Skensliver) 345

3 x Great Eagle 150


List 4
Spoiler:

Teclis (Shadow) 475

Caradryan 175
Noble (GW, BSB, Armor of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix) 168

33 Spearmen (FC, Banner of Eternal Flame) 332
30 Spearmen (FC) 295

53 White Lions (FC, Skeinsliver , Banner of Sorcery) 900

3 x Great Eagle 150


If you could post why you picked which list that would be really appreciated. If you choose the none option please elaborate why and offer a critique please.

The biggest question I have is whether to play a balanced list (List 3) or a point denial list (List 2). Lists 1 and 4 are a combination of both.
   
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List 3 is the best, as most others revolve round deathstars, or at least, very few units. Large units, but few in number. Such a tactic is asking to simply be avoided or having final transmution cast your way etc. Yes, these aren't always going to succeed, but it's best not having the threat of them looming over you.

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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos






Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

All are terrible for the same reason: Teclis.

That said, 3 would be the best all around.

HE players should just pretend that Teclis isn't an option right now, as he will cost you on comp/sportsmanship and will quickly make other players avoid you.

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
 
   
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I don't like any of the lists. As for teclis I find that for my play-style a level 4 archmage is better in most situations and doesn't cost as many points, which lets you get more important stuff.
   
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 Aerethan wrote:
All are terrible for the same reason: Teclis.

That said, 3 would be the best all around.

HE players should just pretend that Teclis isn't an option right now, as he will cost you on comp/sportsmanship and will quickly make other players avoid you.


Should Lizardmen players also ignore the slann for the same/other reasons? I think so too. You don't see anyone play Lizardmen without him and he makes the magic phase/entire game an irritation.
   
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Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

BronzeJon wrote:
 Aerethan wrote:
All are terrible for the same reason: Teclis.

That said, 3 would be the best all around.

HE players should just pretend that Teclis isn't an option right now, as he will cost you on comp/sportsmanship and will quickly make other players avoid you.


Should Lizardmen players also ignore the slann for the same/other reasons? I think so too. You don't see anyone play Lizardmen without him and he makes the magic phase/entire game an irritation.



No amount of kitted out slann comes close to a Teclis.

475 points:
+D3 PD and DD
Spell destroying dispel scroll
immunity from first miscast per turn
IF on any successful cast that includes a double and still only miscasts on double 6's


Show me a slann that does that.

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
 
   
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Skillful Swordmaster






No one will play you if your using those list....well not twice.

Damn I cant wait to the GW legal team codex comes out now there is a dex that will conquer all. 
   
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Deacon



Leeds, UK

List 3 is probably the better of the lists as The Shadow eludes to, a 'balanced' approach HE list under a good general is a force to be reckoned with.

What games do you envision using this list in (Competition or Friendly?)

   
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HE players should just pretend that Teclis isn't an option right now, as he will cost you on comp/sportsmanship and will quickly make other players avoid you.

I already had a lengthy debate debate on the "sportsmanship" of bringing Teclis and I would rather not devolve this post into that again. The people I play against have no problems getting smashed by teclis because they bring equally powerful lists.

I have never played at a comped tournament and I never will because the purpose of such a tournament is to create an environment where weak/noncompetitive lists have a chance to win. This goes against my competitive nature where the best are always the winner.

As for teclis I find that for my play-style a level 4 archmage is better in most situations and doesn't cost as many points, which lets you get more important stuff.

The ONLY thing I don't like about Teclis is his point costs so I agree with you that a level 4 archmage with the apropriate kit can have similar results for far fewer points. What kit do you usually run?

What games do you envision using this list in (Competition or Friendly?)

I see myself playing mostly friendly games with other like mineded players (WAAC, no mercy play style) but I would like to start going to some tournaments as well.
   
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As for teclis I find that for my play-style a level 4 archmage is better in most situations and doesn't cost as many points, which lets you get more important stuff.

The ONLY thing I don't like about Teclis is his point costs so I agree with you that a level 4 archmage with the apropriate kit can have similar results for far fewer points. What kit do you usually run?

My kit depends mainly on who I am playing, as most of the time it is just a simple one on one and not a tournament. For a tournament i would use the seerstaff of saphery, it is always nice to pick the spells that you know will help in a fight. Many people are like, "But if I take teclis then I know all the spells from a lore, so how is that helpful?" Simply put odds are that the opponent will try harder for one to take out teclis. My normal list uses a lv4 and 2 lv2 mages along with a bsb and depending on how many points i go from there. I find that a silver wand on one mage and a sigil of Asuryan on the other can be pretty nice. Basically you come down to having 10 spells and a dispel scroll. As for teclis getting the extra power and dispel dice I find that I don't really need the extra dispel dice as high elves are good at getting rid of spells with their special +1 for having the mage, and if you are really having trouble with dispels just make sure to save a die or two when it's your magic phase and cast Drain Magic.. Now the power dice you can gain the same thing from getting a banner of sorcery.

I prefer to use a Block of 20 Phoenix Guard with Full Command and give them the Banner of Sorcery. I can then put 1-2 of my mages into the unit and then they have a pretty nice big bodyguard that can just stand there while the mages cast spells and if the enemy does decide to come fight I find that the Phoenix Guard can cut down most opposition.
   
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Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

 bepp90 wrote:
HE players should just pretend that Teclis isn't an option right now, as he will cost you on comp/sportsmanship and will quickly make other players avoid you.

I already had a lengthy debate debate on the "sportsmanship" of bringing Teclis and I would rather not devolve this post into that again. The people I play against have no problems getting smashed by teclis because they bring equally powerful lists.

I have never played at a comped tournament and I never will because the purpose of such a tournament is to create an environment where weak/noncompetitive lists have a chance to win. This goes against my competitive nature where the best are always the winner.

As for teclis I find that for my play-style a level 4 archmage is better in most situations and doesn't cost as many points, which lets you get more important stuff.

The ONLY thing I don't like about Teclis is his point costs so I agree with you that a level 4 archmage with the apropriate kit can have similar results for far fewer points. What kit do you usually run?

What games do you envision using this list in (Competition or Friendly?)

I see myself playing mostly friendly games with other like mineded players (WAAC, no mercy play style) but I would like to start going to some tournaments as well.


Bringing teclis and winning doesn't make you the best. That's like saying you out karate'd someone with a gun.

That's fine that your local group plays WAAC, but please don't pretend that skill is required for WAAC lists to win. They are designed specifically to win regardless of who is running them or who the opponent is.

Teclis is a crutch. Not a single thing in the game for those points comes close to his power. He is the single most broken thing in WFB right now.

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
 
   
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Aerethan you've made it perfectly clear how much you dislike Teclis. However I do particularly enjoy your analogy of bringing a gun to a knife fight; Teclis is just that, a gun in a knife fight. It would be foolish of me not to take advantage of such a powerful character if he is available to me. I'm not here to argue that I'm the best player in the world, nor did I ever boast that I was. But to say that winning with Teclis takes no skill is to discredit my opponents completely. Especially considering that they're running just as broken lists as I am. In my FLGS, I'm in a Mexican standoff, so bringing anything but a gun is just asking to get beat.

If on the other hand you could offer some other options that are equally competitive that would be much more constructive than posting over and over again about how broken Teclis is. Teclis is a lot of points, you can bring a lvl 4 and a lvl 2 mage for the same price. The question is, is Teclis more valuable than these other two characters combined? I think so.
   
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Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

 bepp90 wrote:

If on the other hand you could offer some other options that are equally competitive that would be much more constructive than posting over and over again about how broken Teclis is. Teclis is a lot of points, you can bring a lvl 4 and a lvl 2 mage for the same price. The question is, is Teclis more valuable than these other two characters combined? I think so.


Fair enough point here.

I'm moving this weekend so I can't fool around in AB to see what nasty 2 mage combo I could make, so that will have to wait, for me at least.

Jubear might be able to help with that though.

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
 
   
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Skillful Swordmaster






Have you considered a level 4 with the Book of Hoath on shadow and the all archer core build? It looks kinda like this.

No Name (2389pts)
2400pt High Elves 7th Ed 2007 Roster (Standard)
Selections:
Lords

Archmage
Hand Weapon, Level 4 Wizard
Magic Items
Arcane Items
Book of Hoeth
School of Magic
Lore of Shadow

Heroes

Mage
Hand weapon
Magic Items
Arcane Items
Dispel Scroll
School of Magic
Lore of Metal

Noble
Battle Standard Bearer, Great Weapon, Hand Weapon
Magic Items
Magic Armour
Armour of Caledor
Talismans
Guardian Phoenix

Core

Archers
20x Archer, Hawkeye, Musician
Standard Bearer
Banner of Eternal Flame

Archers
10x Archer, Musician

Archers
10x Archer, Musician

Archers
10x Archer, Musician

Special

White Lions of Chrace
Musician, Standard Bearer, 30x White Lion

White Lions of Chrace
Musician, 30x White Lion
Standard Bearer
Banner of Sorcery

Rare

Great Eagle
Great Eagle
Great Eagle

Its advantages over your other list include

1.More drops you may actually be able to out deploy someone
2.It holds points extremely well as you simply dump the archers up front and put your WL hordes behind the archers. Wither what needs to die and shoot the hell out of it. Once the enemy is in charge range just flee all charges and bounce thru your WLs to safety (keeping everything within Ld and BSB bubble is a must however)
3.The list will auto kill Hydras and Hellpits thanks to the big unit of archers with flaming attacks just let loose with some tracer fire take regen off your target and shoot it down
4.It has a metal level one mage just for the signature spell for dealing with PoK dreadlords etc.
5.It kinda flys under comp (If you dont play in comped events thats prolly dosent mean much tho)

Teclis is always going to be the best choice however just putting all your army in the corner is boring.

Doh just noticed it was for 2500 not 2400....Just add another eagle and another unit of ten archers I guess.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/10/06 02:29:33


Damn I cant wait to the GW legal team codex comes out now there is a dex that will conquer all. 
   
 
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