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So, My Friendly Neighborhood Gaming Store has begun a little annoying fad, where they take an allied detach of IG tanks in the back behind an Aegis line. After all the bickering they all decided that this confers a 3+ cover. So question 1 is Is this really a 3+ cover? and Question 2 is best ways to counter? I prefer answers for DE, Eldar, or Nilla Marines but would like to hear other idears too? PLZ HELP Lost in Barrages?

The Aegis line confers 4+ cover, although if the tanks have camo netting it will be 3+.

Outflank with war walkers. Heat lance on DE bikes. Razorwing or voidraven. Haywire grenades from mass wyches coming out of venoms. Basically get around the defense line.

When placing terrain, use the pieces to block off fire lanes from where you know he will be placing his tanks.

 Razgriz22 wrote:
When placing terrain, use the pieces to block off fire lanes from where you know he will be placing his tanks.

Or just put a piece of lethal terrain behind the aegis line, since terrain is placed after fortifications. That should deal with the tank problem pretty effectively.

with Nilla Marines, drop pod in behind the Aegis some sternguard vets with combi meltas, they prolly wont survive but they will equal dead tanks.


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with Nilla Marines, drop pod in behind the Aegis some sternguard vets with combi meltas, they prolly wont survive but they will equal dead tanks.

Use a large piece of terrain and put it right in front of the ADL.

Problem solved.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Use a large piece of terrain and put it right in front of the ADL.

Problem solved.

Nah, then you've just allowed your opponent to put an objective behind that nice LOS blocker and keep a scoring unit safely behind it. It's much better to put a piece of lethal terrain (a nice flat pool of spikes is good, so it doesn't block LOS) behind the aegis line and make it useless.

ADL is pretty long i think about what 20"?, and terrain has to be placed 3" from it. The entire adl can't be negated by 1 piece of terrain.

It's also a 50/50 who gets to place terrain 1st. A non los blocking pit of spikes is as likely to be placed in front of the adl by an opponent as it is behind it by you. Terrain placement is an important tool, but it's not reliable against a savey opponent.

Multiple plans are necessary. Terrain placement is one of them, but sometimes you just have to deal with an adl working. Drop pods get behind it, and a 3++ cover doesn't protect a russ from krak grenades in cc. The main point is find something better to do than shoot at a vehicle with a 3++ cover.

 schadenfreude wrote:
ADL is pretty long i think about what 20"?, and terrain has to be placed 3" from it. The entire adl can't be negated by 1 piece of terrain.

Nope. You have to be 3" away from other terrain, but fortifications are not terrain. And there's no maximum terrain size, I can easily bring a 20" long strip of lethal terrain to put behind it. In fact I'd probably bring a nice variety of lethal terrain pieces so that no matter what shape you deploy your ADL in I can deny the entire thing efficiently.

It's also a 50/50 who gets to place terrain 1st. A non los blocking pit of spikes is as likely to be placed in front of the adl by an opponent as it is behind it by you. Terrain placement is an important tool, but it's not reliable against a savey opponent.

Sure, that's why you bring two spike pits.

(Though it's probably more fun to bring a set of deployment-zone-sized lethal terrain pieces and ensure that whoever goes first gets to make their opponent's entire deployment zone lethal terrain.)

 Peregrine wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
ADL is pretty long i think about what 20"?, and terrain has to be placed 3" from it. The entire adl can't be negated by 1 piece of terrain.

Nope. You have to be 3" away from other terrain, but fortifications are not terrain. And there's no maximum terrain size, I can easily bring a 20" long strip of lethal terrain to put behind it. In fact I'd probably bring a nice variety of lethal terrain pieces so that no matter what shape you deploy your ADL in I can deny the entire thing efficiently.

It's also a 50/50 who gets to place terrain 1st. A non los blocking pit of spikes is as likely to be placed in front of the adl by an opponent as it is behind it by you. Terrain placement is an important tool, but it's not reliable against a savey opponent.

Sure, that's why you bring two spike pits.

(Though it's probably more fun to bring a set of deployment-zone-sized lethal terrain pieces and ensure that whoever goes first gets to make their opponent's entire deployment zone lethal terrain.)

Fortifications are battlefield terrain. They even count against the terrain density of that quadrant. The defense line is even listed under the battlefield debris section too. Which is terrain.

Not to mention that on a poor sportsmanship scale of 1-10, bringing own 20' long terrain gets a clear 10.

I certainly would not play vs. someone bringing HUGE pieces of terrain on purpose. That's just ridiculous.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Not to mention that on a poor sportsmanship scale of 1-10, bringing own 20' long terrain gets a clear 10.

I certainly would not play vs. someone bringing HUGE pieces of terrain on purpose. That's just ridiculous.

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding but is there something illegal about taking an ADL?

Easiest answer is to do two things. If you have access to Barrage use it. It will completely negate the ADL and Camo netting making this tactic a huge points waste.

Second your farseer has access to divination. Use Eldrad BRB powers, get perfect timing and strip away the cover saves. You can cast it on vehicles so prescience and perfect timing your BL and his vehicles will go away.

Flyers work well at reaching behind ADL as well.

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
with Nilla Marines, drop pod in behind the Aegis some sternguard vets with combi meltas, they prolly wont survive but they will equal dead tanks.

Any drop pod AV stuff would work, sternguard, dreads, tac squads with melta, etc.

Outflanking scout bikers can rapid fire krack grenades from the AGLs, and assault on following turns. Most, if not all, IG tanks are AV10 for rear IIRC.
Assault squads can also work.
Melta bikes and speeders should be fast enough to get to the side arc for a clear shot

Vanilla marines have a good number of ways to get some anti tank fire where they need it. And most of it is fast enough, or deploys wherever you need it, to get behind the wall.

 derpyhooves72 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Not to mention that on a poor sportsmanship scale of 1-10, bringing own 20' long terrain gets a clear 10.

I certainly would not play vs. someone bringing HUGE pieces of terrain on purpose. That's just ridiculous.

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding but is there something illegal about taking an ADL?

You got me wrong, I was referring to the guy suggesting to bring a 20'' long piece of terrain with him in order to block the ADL's LOS.

Unfortunately, at tournaments, you are almost forced to bring an ADL due to a massive lack of proper AA.

DE: Jetbikes, venoms, anything that moves quick to get around or behind.

Marines: outflank scoots with plasma and melta, drop pod in...anything, really, dreads are hilarious because you get that same delicious save after you lasrocket the ass end of that tank. Sterguard or even a tax with a melta and bombs if you're feeling sassy. Marines laugh at aegis lines, really.

Eldar: Swooping hawks, speedy tanks full of fire dragons, pheonix lord Sir Firedragonsalot and his ignores cover melta.