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I know the chaos marine codex just came out... and it is awesome BTW. But I had a question regarding the daemon princes... Since they do not get a mark of chaos but become a daemon of a god, if they choose the Tzeench god do they benefit from the plus 1 to the invuln save? My guess no by the RAW. But they can take a gift of chaos so could they take the aura of dark glory and have it add into the daemon invuln save to make it a 3up invuln? What is everyone's thought on this? Cheers all

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 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I know the chaos marine codex just came out... and it is awesome BTW. But I had a question regarding the daemon princes... Since they do not get a mark of chaos but become a daemon of a god, if they choose the Tzeench god do they benefit from the plus 1 to the invuln save? My guess no by the RAW. But they can take a gift of chaos so could they take the aura of dark glory and have it add into the daemon invuln save to make it a 3up invuln? What is everyone's thought on this? Cheers all


They are daemons, they start with a 5+ invuln like all daemons.
   
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 Bausk wrote:
 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I know the chaos marine codex just came out... and it is awesome BTW. But I had a question regarding the daemon princes... Since they do not get a mark of chaos but become a daemon of a god, if they choose the Tzeench god do they benefit from the plus 1 to the invuln save? My guess no by the RAW. But they can take a gift of chaos so could they take the aura of dark glory and have it add into the daemon invuln save to make it a 3up invuln? What is everyone's thought on this? Cheers all


They are daemons, they start with a 5+ invuln like all daemons.


Yes I know that, but like I said in the original post do they get the benefit of Tzeench and or can the aura of dark glory add to it

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 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
 Bausk wrote:
 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I know the chaos marine codex just came out... and it is awesome BTW. But I had a question regarding the daemon princes... Since they do not get a mark of chaos but become a daemon of a god, if they choose the Tzeench god do they benefit from the plus 1 to the invuln save? My guess no by the RAW. But they can take a gift of chaos so could they take the aura of dark glory and have it add into the daemon invuln save to make it a 3up invuln? What is everyone's thought on this? Cheers all


They are daemons, they start with a 5+ invuln like all daemons.


Yes I know that, but like I said in the original post do they get the benefit of Tzeench and or can the aura of dark glory add to it


Mark of Tzneench improves it, Dark glory does not improve invulns at all as far as i can see so i don't understand why your asking about it. In other words a DP can only get a 4+ invuln at best and only with the MoT and buying Aura of dark glory is redundant.
   
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Unless it specifically says so, invulnerable saves do not stack. Also, the mark for a daemon prince is different than for non-princes.

Your daemon prince will have a 5+. There isn't much you can do about that.

I suggest you don't believe anything posted by thedarkavenger unless confirmed by other regular posters here at Dakka. He has shown he is incapable of basic English comprehension.
 
   
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There would be no affect. it's like giving a unit with stealth, stealth. There is no benefit. I've spent a while look at the Daemon Price already. best you can do is 5++ rerolling 1s.

Though on the other hand you can get your Chaos Lord to have a 2+4++5+++ or a 2+3++ (note that the math is equal on either save set for ap2 but is better on the 2+4+5++ for ap3+ but if it's over strength 8 and ap2, the 2+3++ is better)

Here is a bigger surprise. Your Daemon Price can't roll on the Chaos boons table after the game starts. :( Please someone correct me on this.

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To answer your first question, becoming a Daemon of Tzeentch does not confer any benefit to a Daemon Prince's invulnerable save. See Codex:CSM p. 33

To answer your second question, both the Daemon rule and the aura of dark glory confer 5+ invulnerable saves, and neither stacks with the other. See Codex:CSM p. 67 and BGB p. 35. So even if you bought your D.Prince an aura, he'd still only have a 5+ invul.

Hope this helps!



Willydstyle wrote:Giantkiller, while those were very concise and logical rebuttals to the tenets upon which he based his argument... he made a post which was essentially a gentlemanly "bow out" from the debate, which should be respected.

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Thank you that does help, that is whay I was affraid of. I would rather have the normal mark of Tzeench, but the Daemon prince can not have it. Thanks for the positive feedback from those that did. Cheers and thanks

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