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I'd assumed that cadia is too close to the eye of terror, heck, most cadians of old have purple eyes because of that I remember reading some time ago. I'd imagine it's too dangerous to have the tech there due to a combination of warp corruption as well as potential for abadon to capture such tech.

Are there any krieg regiments on cadia? I'd imagine the imperium would love to seige the parts of cadia that are under the traitor's control.

The Grenadier who takes off his gasmask is said to have purple eyes too.

Mind you it also says that he's no older than 19, and he's already a veteran, so take that with a grain of salt.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The Ad Mech is almost using Krieg as a testing facility for the Technology.

That is an advantage for the Adeptus Biologis but they were most certainly not happy at all that such technology was put into use - but an edict from the High Lords of Terra is still something they must obey.

Squidmanlolz wrote:Also, considering that Abbaddon's forces have taken a little bit of the planet during the 13th. There probably isn't much industry. The low population is probably due to the fact that all able-bodied people are put into service.

As per the 6E rulebook's timeline, the 13th Black Crusade has not even truly started "yet".

To the OP I can only recommend to keep in mind that this franchise is not publishing a unified vision of the setting. GW doesn't care at all what "Dead Men Walking" says, and I would not be surprised at all if a number of sources about the Death Korps are contradicting each other. Especially once we go into numbers. Ultimately, it is safe to assume that there are sufficient regiments of the Death Korps around for Guard players to come up with one if they want to field it on the table.

But yes, as far as GW's own vision is concerned, there were 5 regiments of the Death Korps on Armageddon. This chart (also reprinted in the 6E rulebook) is dated 721999.M41 - it doesn't get much more "current" in 40k:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070202084629/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/imp_forces.html
Has a link to a small DKoK article, too, so that might be of interest to you if you like 'em.

Actually the whole 10 regiment per year seems to be pretty consistent, read in the Siege of Vraks and I could have sworn its in the IG 'dex as well.

Dead Men walking was a novel that had potential, but kinda fell through because it missed what the focus should have been about the story. It was a novel about the Death Korps, and it took the opinion DEATH KORPS, MEAT DROIDS, F*** YEAH, which totally didn't work because it focused completely on utterly inhuman and unnatural and ruthless they were. That's part of what the Death Korps is, of course, but that's not something to go 'F YEAH' over. What it is, however, is a fantastic source of horrorific. The point of view of the Commissars (a non executing, human seeming Commissar, I should add, WAS the definite highlight of the novel for me.) should have been the focus on the story. About how mistreated, dehumanised, and generally abused the Kriegers were - child soldiers in all but name, really. These kids get grown, brainwashed, and twisted into being the 'ideal' (from the munitorum perspective) soldiers and in the process become less human. There's something horrible and depressing in that, considering the idea of the IG is supposed to be 'normal humans fighting and dying against all manner of alien and supernatural threats.'

Sort of like a 40K version of the STar Wars novel 'Hard Contact', which was also a great novel.


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Oh and as far as the Vitae womb stuff goes... there were a few interesting tidbits in Soul Reaver, re: 'Trueborn'.


Depending on how you view the FFG information, that may give insight into what happens with Krieg soldiers.



So, take that however you will.

Bobthehero wrote:Actually the whole 10 regiment per year seems to be pretty consistent, read in the Siege of Vraks and I could have sworn its in the IG 'dex as well.

It's not - that's where I looked first. :(

My guess would be that this number is from one of the Forgeworld books. They occasionally clash with GW fluff, but between themselves they seem pretty consistent (and sport notably higher numbers than GW most of the time). But with Forgeworld being some sort of "parallel studio", I suppose that, similar to GW itself, they may have a solid core of writers for this stuff rather than contracting random freelancers a la Black Library. It would certainly help with keeping things somewhat in line when it's always written by the same guy.

I'm not sure where this 'ten regiments' thing comes from. The Siege of Vraks passage I remember reading was 'tens of regiments per year', and that's quite a few men given the size of siege regiments (which is the Krieg specialty.) And even then you'd take that more as an approximation than any absolute number, because the concept of accurate record keeping is a lost art in 40K (and keeps things suitably vague to be open ended.)

Well, I guess it depends on how one views the relationship of GW fluff vs other sources as well as the "power level" of Krieg Guardsmen:

As per the current IG Codex, "regiment" is a Munitorum term meant to unify tithes from all over the Imperium into military assets of uniform strength, as to easier plan their usage and deployment. Thus, better regiments will have lower numbers of men, whereas worse regiments will have more to compensate - quality versus quantity. The end result being that (for example; numbers taken from memory) regiments from Valhalla get tithed with 100.000 men of infantry to waste in wave assaults whereas from Cadia they are only 5.000 big as Cadians are so l33t and better equipped. Similarly, regiments with vehicles or lots of other supportive machinery will be smaller, as, say, 1 tank is worth much more than 1 man.

No idea how that may fit to Forgeworlds IA books, though. I only know that in GW's world, this is supposed to be a Krieg siege company, but not how many companies would be in the regiment.

Connor MacLeod wrote:
About how mistreated, dehumanised, and generally abused the Kriegers were - child soldiers in all but name, really. These kids get grown, brainwashed, and twisted into being the 'ideal' (from the munitorum perspective) soldiers and in the process become less human.

Actually that is the reality of The Great War circa 1918 where armies were filled with boys, including those who lied about their ages - saying they were 18 when they were younger than 16 - who had gone to war filled to the brim & buoyed up by propaganda, that they were fighting for their country & freedom and so on, then turn up and get a horrible shock. Life in the trenches for months on end with the ever present fear of snipers, artillery, chemical weapons and so on whilst your mates die around you & the major discomforts of sitting in waterlogged holes in the ground, would dehumanise anyone, especially those who are still developing physically & psychologically. That is what the Death Korps represents, the boys in the armies of the nations of the Great War, the generals who spent mens lives as though they were mere resources, those brain-washed by propaganda etc, but in WH40k.

Connor MacLeod wrote:
There's something horrible and depressing in that, considering the idea of the IG is supposed to be 'normal humans fighting and dying against all manner of alien and supernatural threats.

It is, as you say, horrible & depressing, but that is because the Death Korp are meant to be and are at the other end of the scale compared to the 'ordinary human vs. gribbly things'. They probably embody the 'grim dark' thing more than any other Imperial Guard regiment because of their twisted mentality, their faceless appearance, being referred to by numbers rather than names, spent in battle by their officers as though they're just expendable resources. In fact so 'grim dark' are they they do make the Commissar's, on the whole, look like normal humans.

And yes, it is 'tens of regiments', not 'ten regiments', I didn't have my IA5:SoV: Part 1 book to hand at the time I thought I knew it well enough off the top of my head.

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Dead Men walking was a novel that had potential, but kinda fell through because it missed what the focus should have been about the story. It was a novel about the Death Korps, and it took the opinion DEATH KORPS, MEAT DROIDS, F*** YEAH, which totally didn't work because it focused completely on utterly inhuman and unnatural and ruthless they were. That's part of what the Death Korps is, of course, but that's not something to go 'F YEAH' over. What it is, however, is a fantastic source of horrorific. The point of view of the Commissars (a non executing, human seeming Commissar, I should add, WAS the definite highlight of the novel for me.) should have been the focus on the story. About how mistreated, dehumanised, and generally abused the Kriegers were - child soldiers in all but name, really. These kids get grown, brainwashed, and twisted into being the 'ideal' (from the munitorum perspective) soldiers and in the process become less human. There's something horrible and depressing in that, considering the idea of the IG is supposed to be 'normal humans fighting and dying against all manner of alien and supernatural threats.'

I don't think Dead Men Walking glorified the Krieg at all. I think it focused on the similarities between the Necrons and Krieg, and put a spotlight on how sad of an existance the Kriegers have, no F*** YEAH to be found. I think it worked well for what it was trying to accomplish. It was a dark, depressing novel, reflective of the setting, and probably one of the more realistic representations of life for the average joe in a war-torn imperial world.