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HQ

Chaos Lord
Mark Of Khrone
Axe Of Blind Fury (ap2 Daemon Weapon)
Sigil Of Corruption (4+ Invulnerable Save)
Gift Or Mutation
145pts

Kharne The Betrayer
160pts

TROOPS

Squad of 8 Berzerkers
Champ with power fist
187pts

Squad of 8 Berzerkers
Champ with power fist
187pts

ELITES

Helbrute
twin Power fists
105pts

Helbrute
twin Power fists
105pts

FAST ATTACK

Squad of 8 Bikes
All with Mark Of Khorne
Icon of Wrath
2 Melta Guns
Power fist on champion
251pts

Squad of 8 Bikes
All with Mark Of Khorne
Icon of Wrath
2 Melta Guns
Power fist on champion
251pts

HEAVY SUPPORT

5 Havocs
4 Melta Guns
Chaos Rhino
150pts

Land Raider
230pts

Land Raider
230pts

basically the tactic with this army is chuck each HQ with a squad of berzerkers in a land raider, the Helbrutes perform as fire magnets / distractions while the bikers fly up and pop tanks then the raiders drop their heavy hitting CC troops to kill and capture objectives in the name of khorne! what do you guys think? any suggestions? my main three opponents run 1. a necron flier list (spanker) 2. an ork Defwing (all meganobs in wagons) and 3. a blood angels dreadnought in drop pods list.

I really think too few troops.
Also, you say you regularly fight a necron flier list, but how do you propose to take it on with this list?

i have accepted the fact that a fluffy khorne list will NEVER defeat a list that contains 10 fliers... it cannot be done.... so im more focussed on the other 2 opponents

Yep,
It's a nice punchy army but not enough troops.

I think the landraiders are slightly wasted due to missing out on shots if you are steaming over the board; but they are intimidating so I suppose it depends on the opponent. If you keep them in why not make the most of the units they transport and add a few models.

The hellbrutes seam out of place; maybe loose one for a small additional troop unit.

Bikes are good.

No anti-aircraft for when the IG roll up with losts of vendettas or eldar with lances and knock out the landraiders early on.
Maybe tool the havocs up for that and find the extra points from the bike fit out.

What I really like are the havocs in the rhino. Going off topic I'm thinking (for my list - still waiting for the codex to be delivered) is 2000pt double list with two units of havocs in rhino with assault/plasma kit out. Then using Huron to try and infiltrate two units of them.

I'm a real fluff based gamer.... I won't take a unit unless it screams KHORNE! at me... I have two wicked converted Helbrutes with juggernaut faces so I want them to stay.... i agree that it is lacking troops tho... maybe i could drop 1 helbrute and get 2 squads of 2 cultists.. just to hold objectives....

You could take your Lord on a jugger so that he can ride with the bikes, he can still be sniped thou but will pack more punch and you could save those points on one LR and invest it on another troop

I would consider dropping the size of your bike units to maybe 5-6, maybe drop the meltas from one bike unit, and add the Lord on a jugger to that unit. With those points I'd try and get more zerkers.

To "distract" a little better, what if you give the helbrutes some type of ranged shooting as they advance? Then they're doing something besides just advancing and getting shot up.

A Khorne Lord that is that killy could use a mount. How about a Juggernaught.

Stick him with the bikes until he's ready to go chew stuff apart! He can easily clean through almost any unit by himself.

He does get very pricey, but you could drop the sigil. It does make him more vulnerable, but his defense instead will be high toughness and killing everyone that can fight back.

Honestly the hellbrutes really don't match the rest of your list and they will be slow as heck. Another glaring issue is that you have absolutely nothing that can deal with flyers. I'd try to ally in some IG or pick up two squads of Havoks with Flak missiles. Landraiders are also stupid expensive in terms of points. I know you probably want them to transport your berserkers for the Assault Vehicles rule....but I think just getting more 'zerkers and rhinos with dirge-casters would be a better plan.

As was said above, bikes could probably be shrunk down to 6-7 per squad. Icon of Wrath really isn't needed either. You already have 28 S4 and 4 S8 AP2 attacks on the charge....do you really need S5 as well? Hell Veterans of the Long War would probably be just as useful (not in all cases of course) for much cheaper.

You replaced the combi-bolters with meltaguns and not the CCW, right?


Looks like a great start but could use more bodies and more 'oomph' against flyers. Havoks help with the latter and can provide you with ranged support as well. Even followers of Khorne use ranged-support to crack open transports and heavy vehicles so they don't have to waste time doing that in CC.

I like the landraiders, against necron fliers and even vendettas they are one of the better options as they will draw alot of firepower off the rest of his army and survive pretty well against lascannon fire while the nightscythes won't even scratch that armour. The 4++ on the lord is important as he said he is vsing meganobz and dreadnoughts.. I do agree with the last comment about dropping the raiders for more bezerkers in rhinos though or even marines with meltaguns and mok to make them bezerkers with meltas


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Also 3 squads of 5 bikes with meltas would probably be better than 2 squads of 8 for sure

Chaos Lord
Mark Of Khrone
Axe Of Blind Fury (ap2 Daemon Weapon)
Sigil Of Corruption (4+ Invulnerable Save)
135pts

Kharne The Betrayer
160pts

TROOPS

Squad of 8 Berzerkers
Champ with power fist and combi melta
190pts

Squad of 8 Berzerkers
Champ with power fist and combi melta
190pts

FAST ATTACK

Squad of 5 Bikes
All with Mark Of Khorne
2 Melta Guns
Power fist on champion
165pts

Squad of 5 Bikes
All with Mark Of Khorne
2 Melta Guns
Power fist on champion
165pts

Squad of 5 Bikes
All with Mark Of Khorne
2 Melta Guns
Power fist on champion
165pts

HEAVY SUPPORT

5 Havocs
4 Melta Guns
Chaos Rhino
150pts

Land Raider
230pts

Land Raider
230pts

ALLIED HQ (IMPERIAL GUARD)

Company Command Squad
Autocannon Heavy Weapons team
60pts

ALLIED TROOPS (IMPERIAl GUARD)

Infantry Platoon

Platoon Command Squad
Autocannon
40pts

Infantry Squad
Autocannon
60pts

Infantry Squad
Autocannon
60pts

TOTAL 2000pts

Basically all i have done is swapped the 2 x 8 man bike squads for 3 x 5 man squads and swapped the 2 helbrutes for imperial guard allies with autocannons for fire support

Considering you are sing meganobz and dreadnoughts alot I would think 2 hellbrutes are so much better than guardsmen with autocannons

Sinny! wrote:
Considering you are sing meganobz and dreadnoughts alot I would think 2 hellbrutes are so much better than guardsmen with autocannons

Says the guy who owns the mega nob and dreadnought armies! lol

I might want a scoring unit or two more!
Also don't forget that shooting people is a reasonable khornate tactic. They don't particularly mind that jazz and I'm sure they see the use in it. I mean, not even their demon princes can crack the hardest of 40k nuts anymore sadly.

I remember hearing things about the world eaters having a reasonable amount of tactical and long ranged units. Seek balance where you can find it I say! Plenty of skulls to go around!

Guardsmen are scoring... that gives me 5 scoring units ... also for shooting I have 4 auto cannons and 4 twin linked lascanons... do people still think I need more? I mainly wrote this list for killing potential

I love a good bloodthristy Khorne list, and its what I usually run. But if I had to critique it:

HQ - Not a huge problem with any of these choices, both great units, and lets face it, Kharn kicks ass

Troops - Packed in a LR with the HQs should be able to do some serious damage albeit at a high points cost. If you knew you were going up against an AP4 army it might be worth it to add the chain axes. I find with Zerkers you get the first unit they go after slaughtered, by the second unit they are almost down to nothing, and sometimes make a dent in the third. They arent intended to be survivable, which kind of puts your CL at the very least in harms way. So if you were careful with the land raider, walled off against LOS, then maybe, just maybe, but games dont always work out that way. Also the combi-meltas although nice to have around arent very neccesary on account of the 6 meltas with the bikes, there is a good chance they will pop the tanks before your zerkers ever have a chance.

FA - Bikes, love em, no complaints, good use of points. Pop a transport, then assault the survivors with an nasty amount of attacks on the charge. Have you considered instead of throwing the CL with the Zerkers, throwing him on a bike? Little more survivability, and he can get into the fight faster.

HS - I have an Issue with the Havocs, you have 4 meltas where you already have 6 on the bikes, plus the combi meltas on the zerkers. Unless I went up against a fully mechanized army this seems overkill. You could probably put them to better use with longer ranged weapons, and missile launchers for pesky flyers. They are meant as long range support, and in this roll a Rhino is not really required.

Allied - Why not? but you could use those points for some obliterators, achieve a more varied HS, and if you are so inclined DS them in to screw up a flank. Lets face it those LR are going to be huge bullet magnets, and you could take advantage of that!

My two cents.


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addon - Maybe even a small unit of Cultists to take a back objective and sit on it for cheap points?

I'd stick with your awesome Dreads and give them Reaper Autocannons! That will give you a smidgen of dakka and keep your cool figs!

Aside from that, remember that sometimes your Land Raiders full of dudes can be perfectly content to sit back and shoot their boom sticks, and BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.

Ok i have taken what everyone has said into accound and wrote this new list

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/484091.page

check it out and comment on it if you have any other suggestions