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Any size of discount is no good if they pull a maelstrom.

.....OK, which marketing 'genius' thought it'd be a good idea to take the brand name of a reviled company that stiffed quite a few people and use it to ADVERTISE for the supposedly unrelated shell company? This sort of shenanigans should be reserved for April 1st

 RiTides wrote:
It actually is somewhat worrying- I originally unsubscribed to Maelstrom because those discount emails became so frequent and so... insistent in their tone. Or desperate...

It could be that Mierce is having trouble generating business through means such as this (posting about their wares on forums) where people are able to alert one another to the circumstances that led to their creation and to use caution.

Emailing customers who have ordered from Maelstrom in the past (whether they have unsubscribed or not) direct through the Maelstrom email address is a means to avoid that conversation...

But yeah, it'll be concerning if these become anywhere near as frequent as Maelstrom's own sale emails did towards the end. Of course, my assumption is this is a one-off attempt, since I really shouldn't have received any ads from this company after unsubscribing.

If you need to complain about them here where to go as they shouln't have contacted you without permission

http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints.aspx

Going bust already? Not really a surprise.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Well I don't know the USA law regarding data protection but I'm pretty sure that this would be worth a complaint to the relevant authority in the UK. This behaviour is on a par with PPI phone calls, once you have Unsubscribed that should be it.

Yeah, I think I found the right authority but ninja-edited it in above:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/
http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints.aspx

I probably won't do anything unless they contact me further or give my information to Mierce Miniatures. But if someone from the UK could confirm that that's the right people to contact if I decide to, that'd be helfpful.

Edit: Ah, missed the page rollover! Thanks for confirming that that is the right link, Orlando.

Yep those are the chaps to contact

Sining wrote:
.....OK, which marketing 'genius' thought it'd be a good idea to take the brand name of a reviled company that stiffed quite a few people and use it to ADVERTISE for the supposedly unrelated shell company? This sort of shenanigans should be reserved for April 1st

Yeah. I'm right with you. Just got the same email and my first thought was, "Wow...using the Same mailin list AND sending it from a maelstrom account? That's ballsy."

I don't know who's brilliant idea it was to do so, but quite frankly it makes me want the $40 bucks back they ripped me off of (and previously I was pretty much over it...)

Staggeringly bad judgement here.

Got same email today.

Definitely won't be touching Mierce with a 10 ft barge pole - obviously still same issues with Maelstrom. It is a shame as I REALLY want some of those mini's.

Hopefully anyone contemplating even ordering from them, though god along knows why, takes adequate steps to ensure they can get their money back.

Mierce going bust? Normally 10% off but 20% off for one day? Doesn't sound like a going-bust sale, it sounds like a post-Christmas sale.

I think it was more the way they went about advertising it that seems rather sketchy.

Hmm... with all this complaining I wonder if we're due for a message from a Maelstrom/Mierce rep who informs us that we all of the complaints are invalid because we just don't know as much about the situation as they do so we should just all stop saying anything about them that isn't glowing praise.

I finally got around to clicking the "Unsubscribe" link (which I obviously already did in the past)- it now leads to a page with Maelstrom's "going out of business" notice, and no way to unsubscribe.

Replying with "Remove" as the title just has the message bounce back as undeliverable.

Seriously thinking of contacting the ICO if they communicate in any way further, as there is no means of telling them to stop... is anyone else considering doing so? If it came to that, weight of numbers would probably help them take more notice than otherwise.

So where's the MM rep with his explanations this time?

He is busy moving the warehouse

Fair play - I don't think I could have imagined a more stupid business move than to use a company that crashed and burned with such damage to its reputation to advertise your wares.

What were they thinking? Surely the owners (who are totally independent of Maelstrom of -course) didn't sit round a table and dream up this stupidity without one of them going "do you really think this is such a good idea after what went wrong with Maelstrom?"

For those of us who have purchased Bane stuff from Maelstrom and were wavering about ordering (i.e me) this served as a timely reminder that this new company doesn't pass the sniff test.

 Alpharius wrote:
OK, I guess we've reached Official Public Warning Time?

Moving forward, Off Topic and/or Rule #1 Violating Posts will earn the user in question a sanction of some sort. Sanction to be commensurate with level of offense.

Mierce Miniatures do have a 'history'.

This is the "Official" New and Rumors thread for Mierce here on Dakka Dakka.

Their history is well known - and can be seen right here in this very thread.

If anyone wishes to continue to discuss that history, please do so in a different thread - maybe in Dakka Discussions?

Thanks!

When even mods are ignoring this its no suprise that most of this thread is almost completely off topic.

Palindrome, many of us got an email with a discount coupon for Mierce Miniatures from Maelstrom Games. That is 100% on topic, and it is not a discussion of their "history"- it is current events.

What to do if Maelstrom Games continue to attempt to send out emails for Mierce Miniatures, with no means of unsubscribing from said emails, is also relevant.

I feel really bad for the employees of Mierce who just want their paycheck every week. I also feel really bad for people who got ripped off by Rob Lane.

 RiTides wrote:
Palindrome, many of us got an email with a discount coupon for Mierce Miniatures from Maelstrom Games. That is 100% on topic, and it is not a discussion of their "history"- it is current events.

What to do if Maelstrom Games continue to attempt to send out emails for Mierce Miniatures, with no means of unsubscribing from said emails, is also relevant.

Which must be why most of the page, even after the mod warning, is full of the same off topic content as most of the rest of the thread? Incidentally I haven't gotten an Email from Maelstrom for months and I never even unsubcribed from their mailing list.

By all means put a prominent warning post in this thread, or start a new one with a warming in the first post, but when the majority of posts cover the same off topic subject its just tedious to read. Out of a 7 page thread maybe 1 page is about the miniatures the rest may as well have been copied directly from posts tha have already been made by the same people in the massive 'buiscuit' thread.

It is also possible that Mierce Miniatures are completely legitmate, even if they are both owned by the same man, so swamping this thread with posts about Maelstrom Games is unfair to them.

If they didn't want people to start talking about their connection to MG, then perhaps they SHOULDN'T have used MG to mail people about their latest promotion. This thread wasn't even on the first page until it was revived with the news about MG mailing people on MMs behalf

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I actually cut-n-pasted the email over in the Maelstrom thread with my reaction (which was "WTF?") - but found the discussion is happening here, which is completely understandable and relevant.

 scipio.au wrote:
which is completely understandable and relevant.

Completely in the wrong place you mean?

It's funny. This thread kicks off most of all when people like yourself start trying to be armchair mods and tell everyone else off for being off-topic... Maybe just leave it alone so it can die a natural death again like your sig says.

Maelstrom sent out a mass email for a Mierce Miniatures sale. That's a pretty clear point of relevance...

 scipio.au wrote:
It's funny. This thread kicks off most of all when people like yourself start trying to be armchair mods and tell everyone else off for being off-topic... Maybe just leave it alone so it can die a natural death again like your sig says.

You mean that this thread becomes a duplicate of the other thread due to the relatively small number of posters who seem desperately to want to organise a lynch mob for Rob Lane?

This thread needs to be locked and a new one, properly policed this time, created.

Then hit the mod alert button palindrome. If they deem it so thenTHEY will make it so, otherwise let it die. U have never owned or subscribed to MG, but have though about buying some of the figs. I appreciate people discussing this here. I can see one person post and think its a fluke, but to see everyone post about it makes up my mind.

Thanks guys.
Theophony

Palindrome wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:
It's funny. This thread kicks off most of all when people like yourself start trying to be armchair mods and tell everyone else off for being off-topic... Maybe just leave it alone so it can die a natural death again like your sig says.

You mean that this thread becomes a duplicate of the other thread due to the relatively small number of posters who seem desperately to want to organise a lynch mob for Rob Lane?

This thread needs to be locked and a new one, properly policed this time, created.

Why?

So that people can just glance over the fact that Rob Lane knowingly ripped of dozens of people and seems to be trying to do it again?

So that new users can't be warned to MM's owner shady practices and can be fooled like all the others were?

Besides, the Mods have already stated that MM's history is on-topic as long as there are new developments to it. These emails definitively count as new developments so should be considered on-topic as well.

Perhaps Mierce next mini should be a sculpt of Rob Lane being led to the Wicker Man?

Theophony wrote:
Then hit the mod alert button palindrome.

I already have but as one of the mods is one of the poeple who insist upon dragging this thread off topic I have little hope that anything will be done.

Maybe I will start copy pasting posts from GW pricing threads into their rumour threads and see how that goes, it is after all effectively the same thing.

You've made your point, time to move on (note that I haven't replied to you except the first time). At this point you're not talking about anything to do with Mierce Miniatures and just repeating yourself.

Continually discussing whether you think a thread is OT or not eventually becomes OT itself, as this entire last page is dominated by replies to you alone.

Agreed, get back on topic and do not spam the thread with repetitious postings please.

Please stick to the release at hand, if you want to discuss rob lane please do so in a discussions thread, you can point to it here but this thread should primarily be dealing with the products in question please.