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 MajorTom11 wrote:
Agreed, get back on topic and do not spam the thread with repetitious postings please.

Please stick to the release at hand, if you want to discuss rob lane please do so in a discussions thread, you can point to it here but this thread should primarily be dealing with the products in question please.

Thank you.

I recieved this e-mail as well. I do like their sculpts, but disagree with this bussiness dealings, therefore I won't buy from them directly. So I hit up TheWarstore.com 's sale last night instead. Likely shipping will be faster anyways.

has anyone had the Mierce offer through Mierces own mailing list or has it just come through the old MG one?

I got a Mierce mailing through Mierce's mailing list.

Was it the identical offer / can you copy/paste it here?

Sure, it said:

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from all at Mierce Miniatures!



The festivities are over for another year and it's nearly 2013, too, which means lots more superb miniatures (and more besides) from us here in rainy Mierce!

As it's the holidays we thought we'd celebrate by giving you all a whopping 20% off UK RRP on all of our Darklands and BaneLegions miniatures - so here's the details of our Boxing Day to New Year sale on our webstore, extending from today right up to the 2nd of January, 2013!



Your Sale Voucher Details


Your 20% off UK RRP discount voucher ends on Wednesday the 2nd of January 2013 at midnight (GMT), and you really do have some superb miniatures to spend your hard-earned on!


... and then the code CHRISTMAS-SALE and some fine print about how to redeem it, etc.

They also sent a follow up email explaining the code didn't work for some people and they fixed some bug, and extending the sale to the 7th or so.

judgedoug wrote:
....... to spend your hard-earned on!

Wording straight out of every Maelstrom discount email I have received. This "new" company continually fails to pass the sniff test. It feels more and more like Maelstrom lite.

You know for those of you who never received their order from Maelstrom, the LAST thing you want to do is to slow or impair the profitability of the new company.
You have two choices, harp on about your loss, and warn the world, OR support them in their latest endeavours.
Why on Earth would you do the latter?
If they go bust, no one wins, not you, not them, not any future potential purchases of their fine products.
If they are successful then maybe you'll get recompense for your lost orders, a business that is doing well can afford to help out when they can.
Food for thought.

yxalitis wrote:
You know for those of you who never received their order from Maelstrom, the LAST thing you want to do is to slow or impair the profitability of the new company.
You have two choices, harp on about your loss, and warn the world, OR support them in their latest endeavours.
Why on Earth would you do the latter?
If they go bust, no one wins, not you, not them, not any future potential purchases of their fine products.
If they are successful then maybe you'll get recompense for your lost orders, a business that is doing well can afford to help out when they can.
Food for thought.

They outright lied to us for months on end, I'm sure that they will come right along and make right on all those unfulfilled orders... any time now...

You brought this thread back up to the front page to say that?

Mierce has made it very clear that they consider themselves a separate entity. Mierce becoming profitable ≠ people getting refunds (for anything other than Banebeasts). Again, they've been very clear about that.

yxalitis wrote:
You know for those of you who never received their order from Maelstrom, the LAST thing you want to do is to slow or impair the profitability of the new company.
You have two choices, harp on about your loss, and warn the world, OR support them in their latest endeavours.
Why on Earth would you do the latter?
If they go bust, no one wins, not you, not them, not any future potential purchases of their fine products.
If they are successful then maybe you'll get recompense for your lost orders, a business that is doing well can afford to help out when they can.
Food for thought.

So in order to get our orders we've already paid money for, we should give money to the same boss who took our money already previously and sent us nothing and HOPE he sends us something? Um...kay....

Just got my Orphious from Thewarstore excellent sculpt, minimal cleaning, only 1 nasty mould line. However no base.

Not that I needed one, as I'm using it as a necrosphnix, but just saying.

yxalitis wrote:
If they go bust, no one wins, not you, not them, not any future potential purchases of their fine products.

Oh, I don't know.... I think pretty much everyone in the market benefits by removing dishonest companies that don't provide product when payment is rendered. One might even go so far as to say the entire Internet benefits.

 Acardia wrote:
Just got my Orphious from Thewarstore excellent sculpt, minimal cleaning, only 1 nasty mould line. However no base.

Not that I needed one, as I'm using it as a necrosphnix, but just saying.

I didn't know you could buy these from the Warstore? That's certainly safer!

RiTides, the War Store and FRPGames both carry Darklands (Mierce Miniatures) at ~10%-20% off.

 RiTides wrote:

 Acardia wrote:
Just got my Orphious from Thewarstore excellent sculpt, minimal cleaning, only 1 nasty mould line. However no base.

Not that I needed one, as I'm using it as a necrosphnix, but just saying.

I didn't know you could buy these from the Warstore? That's certainly safer!

And shipping is top notch. For us in the USA, at least.

 RiTides wrote:

 Acardia wrote:
Just got my Orphious from Thewarstore excellent sculpt, minimal cleaning, only 1 nasty mould line. However no base.

Not that I needed one, as I'm using it as a necrosphnix, but just saying.

I didn't know you could buy these from the Warstore? That's certainly safer!

Yup. As long as you see those nice green letters! Regularly ships right away unless noted above as out of stock

 RiTides wrote:
You brought this thread back up to the front page to say that?

Mierce has made it very clear that they consider themselves a separate entity. Mierce becoming profitable ≠ people getting refunds (for anything other than Banebeasts). Again, they've been very clear about that.

Possibly a sock puppet/mate of someone there. 6 posts, 4 of which are in this thread talking about why we should buy from Mierce including "I bought their Cthulhu". 1 post on Reaper's KS thread slagging off their Cthulhu, and 1 random PP post. The bump (and associated followups, such as this one) gets them a bunch more attention.


also...

yxalitis wrote:
You know for those of you who never received their order from Maelstrom, the LAST thing you want to do is to slow or impair the profitability of the new company.
You have two choices, harp on about your loss, and warn the world, OR support them in their latest endeavours.
Why on Earth would you do the latter?

This. I do not think it means what you think it means...


I'm going to go for the former. I don't think Mierce are getting a lot of their stock from Warlord, Vallejo or West Wind...

Just picked up their Gwyfern at an LGS' Boxing Day sale. It's been on my "to buy at some point, maybe" list since it came out (I have a lot of needlessly specific miniature related lists).

Looks great from an initial examination. Will be a while before I get to break it out and prep for assembly though.

LGS owner seemed unaware of the issues associated with the line's ownership, he's been carrying them since he opened last year. It doesn't sell as well as he'd like, but he'll continue to stock a small selection as long as it's available to his distributor.
That's the only source I'm likely to buy Mierce miniatures from.

From a miniature lover's perspective this whole situation is a real shame.

 scipio.au wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
You brought this thread back up to the front page to say that?

Mierce has made it very clear that they consider themselves a separate entity. Mierce becoming profitable ≠ people getting refunds (for anything other than Banebeasts). Again, they've been very clear about that.

Possibly a sock puppet/mate of someone there. 6 posts, 4 of which are in this thread talking about why we should buy from Mierce including "I bought their Cthulhu". 1 post on Reaper's KS thread slagging off their Cthulhu, and 1 random PP post. The bump (and associated followups, such as this one) gets them a bunch more attention.


also...

yxalitis wrote:
You know for those of you who never received their order from Maelstrom, the LAST thing you want to do is to slow or impair the profitability of the new company.
You have two choices, harp on about your loss, and warn the world, OR support them in their latest endeavours.
Why on Earth would you do the latter?

This. I do not think it means what you think it means...


I'm going to go for the former. I don't think Mierce are getting a lot of their stock from Warlord, Vallejo or West Wind...

Hmm, yes, I have a vested interest in keeping good mini manufacturers keeping making good minis.
I live in Australia, clearly don't work for Mierce.
I still don;t like the Reaper Cthulhu..at all, I am able to express my opinion i take?
Note that I made that post way before Mierce announced their mini, so I couldn't possibly be doing it to favour one company's product over another, now was I?

And yes I said "latter", when I meant "former", but I won't edit the post, as reading the context will reveal the intent.

Without getting into an argument that I can't be bothered with -

When the vast majority of a new poster's posts are in a couple of threads defending/promoting/etc a particular manufacturer/line/product, it's pretty suspicious. People who do such things are often sock puppets or friends/associates of people involved in the production or sales of said products.

This is true across most forums on the internets. Being on one point of the planet over another doesn't really preclude anything either. Especially these days. I'm in Australia as well and I've been associated with a miniatures manufacturer in the US many years ago as well as a 1:6 model retailer located in California. I know a couple of people locally with close ties to Infinity. My good and close personal friend HMBC has done some work for Fantasy Flight. He's also located in Australia.

People have their reasons for disliking Mierce/Lane/Maelstrom. It's probably time to stop bumping this thread to defend them (which always results in a few interesting posts) and just let it go so that the new releases can be shown every so often. Well, if Mierce can stop defending Rob Lane and sending out spam emails to Maelstrom's mailing list(!)

And I do hope they go bust. Talented people such as the sculptors will be able to get work elsewhere. Lane and those who still work for him who think he's just a nice guy, a little misunderstood, and either helped to perpetuate or simply don't give two hoots about the endless lies and grand ripoff that he/they perpetrated.. well I don't much care if they have jobs or end up on the dole.

Aaaand, looksie, they have their KS project up and running:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-a-world-of-war

I especially like the disclaimer at the bottom:

One thing that may concern some people is that Mierce Miniatures is somehow tainted by association with the former owners of our miniatures range, Maelstrom Games. We can assure you that this should not be so. Mierce Miniatures is a completely separate legal entity, existing from March 2012, and purchased the BaneLegions range entirely legally from Maelstrom Games in May of 2012 (rebranding 90% of it as Darklands) - long before Maelstrom Games' troubles began. We are unaffected by any issues regarding Maelstrom Games whatsoever and this Kickstarter project will be fulfilled - as long as we reach our target, of course!

Remember, too, Kickstarter's own words: if you don't like a project, don't back it. There's no need to be a jerk!

Hmm. A few observations:
- Value doesn't appear to be really there yet - seems they're counting on hitting quite a few stretch goals?
- Not connected to mr. Lane? Riiight. Still, I feel they'll deliver on this (makes much, much more business sense to do so even from the most immoral possible point of view and even MG's issues were more those of incompetent crisis management than those of pure evil )
- When kickstarting a game system, us gamers generally appreciate getting a whiff of the actual rules involved
Not much beyond "quickstart rules" here (and REALLY? not even a complete ruleset PDF included at those price points? Come on...) or, if that's somehow impossible, at least a general direction and some names of designers with proven track records involved (and really if you're looking to sell a skirmish system in this market you better have a big name involved if you're not going to show actual rules yet...)

Clever girl, setting a low goal like that.

To be fair it's just 11 sculpts they would have done anyway - the rest is just retail orders with a three month lead time (hell, it's feeling just like old-times MG already )

Yeah, that way when they get to 5k in a few days they can start laying on the praise and the extras or whatever.

"Become your own ancestor!" There's a Futurama joke somewhere in there.

Well, my finances have already taken a beating from too many Kickstarters last year, so I suppose I should be grateful for the Maelstrom link. No matter how gorgeous the minis are, that'll stop me from spending any money on this.

I see they lowballed this so they're pretty much guaranteed to get the 5k in funding. Whether any of the backers will receive their stuff remains to be seen -_-

Wouldn't touch this with a fifty foot pole, low target sounds like they are just trying to get some money quick to pay the rent as they are in financial trouble.

Sining wrote:
I see they lowballed this so they're pretty much guaranteed to get the 5k in funding. Whether any of the backers will receive their stuff remains to be seen -_-

They will make it and several stretch goals. If the Avatars of War indiegogo was an indicator, people will throw money at a project even when people are telling them directly to not trust the company. Did AoW finally deliver all their stuff? Think the "official" delivery date has come and gone.

Hmm

If they had some of the more interesting units up I might have been tempted, but as it is the potential risks look a bit high