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 cincydooley wrote:
I dunno, I think that's one policy that would be more justified and a lot less arbitrary, as it would place the focus of the projects on the item that they're actually trying to fund.


At least in this case, while the sculpts were previously done, the fact that they now come with unit rules/stat cards/whatever make it technically a new product, even if a component of said product was previously released.
   
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Cincinnati, Ohio

 plastictrees wrote:
Which is good, because I'm not complaining about having to buy the rulebook at all...


Haha, I put the wrong name in! My bad! I meant Yodharin, but like i said, I'm not even really focussing on him there. Haha.

Regardless, I really do encourage you all to try the darklands rules. It's actually a really neat skirmish system. I think the profile charts could really use some cleaning up, as right now they look like they've been straight pulled from Excel, but the way damage scales is really cool, IMO.

 
   
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Australia

Same.

At best I get a cool system to try out which doesn't need a hell of a lot of miniatures to play.

At worse I get some cool fluff and damn nice artwork.

If you want to buy miniatures, you're free too. Helps more if you buy the book though.
   
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 cincydooley wrote:
 plastictrees wrote:
Which is good, because I'm not complaining about having to buy the rulebook at all...


Haha, I put the wrong name in! My bad! I meant Yodharin, but like i said, I'm not even really focussing on him there. Haha.

Regardless, I really do encourage you all to try the darklands rules. It's actually a really neat skirmish system. I think the profile charts could really use some cleaning up, as right now they look like they've been straight pulled from Excel, but the way damage scales is really cool, IMO.


Indeed so. I think some nicely designed stat charts should sort that out.

I'm really excited to see what happens and have been for a while. A skirmish game based in the dark ages with real life influences for Picts, Celts, Fomorians, Angles, Jutes, etc - what's not to like? They've got the right mixture: Stunning miniatures, really nice background (based on legend) and quite a nice ruleset. If they can capitalise on that and build the momentum, Darklands could grow into quite a popular system relatively speaking.

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 cincydooley wrote:
Yeah, You have to get the actual product being KSed if you want to be eligible for stretch goals and/or freebies.

Shocking, right?


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They added another stretch, this time the concept book for £5 off rrp. What with this and the mounted general stretch bonus it seems like a lot of the stretch bonuses aren't even freebies (and really, how many freebies can they possibly add to a £30 book / miniature combo? Especially given they've already said KS1 value was a bit too good). It's looking more and more likely that I'll just be buying minis and art books and eschewing the rule set, depending on what sort of fluff is included in the rules, hopefully they'll be showing us what we can expect at some point.

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I have to ask: Why are you so opposed to the ruleset?

 
   
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I don't play wargames and neither do my friends. I read a fair bit though and I do like books as objects, but if it's 80% stats and rules then it's really not for me no matter how nice it is.
   
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Hopefully the Concept art book features a minimal amount of Beth Hughes work. It just doesn't compare. Hopefully it is all unfinished.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 cincydooley wrote:
I dunno, I think that's one policy that would be more justified and a lot less arbitrary, as it would place the focus of the projects on the item that they're actually trying to fund.

And with gaming ones in particular, it would make it much easier for the companies to respond when people complain that they only want exclusives or add ons but don't want the primary product.


I have to ask, who appointed you as arbiter of which opinions are valid feedback and which are "complaining"?

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 Yodhrin wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
I dunno, I think that's one policy that would be more justified and a lot less arbitrary, as it would place the focus of the projects on the item that they're actually trying to fund.

And with gaming ones in particular, it would make it much easier for the companies to respond when people complain that they only want exclusives or add ons but don't want the primary product.


I have to ask, who appointed you as arbiter of which opinions are valid feedback and which are "complaining"?


Actually, I think its a fair point, well made, and your post comes across as a tad agressive. I share your opinion, I don't want the rulebook either, but that isn't what this KS is about.

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I am slightly surprised that someone who doesn't play wargames is upset at a Kickstarter for a wargames ruleset, but...

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primalexile wrote:
This is a game I would love to see a Twilight Knight for! The art style and sculpt of Mierce lines are unreal!


Lol... Get the f... out of here!

   
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I'm not upset, just stating what I don't like about this KS when compared to the previous one, though I suppose the primary focus of that KS was the warbands.
   
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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

I think the primary focus of that KS was establishing a reputation for Mierce Miniatures, seperate from that of previous ventures. Hence the deep discount.

I think the bulk of the stretches will be adding value to add-ons rather than freebies. The "Darklands & Uhtred" buy in is just too low to let them feasibly add much.

There's talk of a huge combo Rule/Fluff/Art book. Presumably that would be available at an upgrade cost for "D&U" pledgers.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the plan is past $100k.
   
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Sydney, Australia

As am I,
I am going to end up with a unit of 12 Dragon Warriors at the end of all this... and maybe a lot more, so really interested if there are add ons to the encounter groups.. or is it just bundle and save!
   
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It doesn't help us with how they're going to be given out or when but

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@Juan - there will be more freebies...

 
   
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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Another comment hints at mounted versions of the sorcerer characters.
   
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Cincinnati, Ohio

 Yodhrin wrote:

I have to ask, who appointed you as arbiter of which opinions are valid feedback and which are "complaining"?


That would be Calvin Coolidge.

But seriously, I'm not trying to be the arbiter of anything. I'm saying I disagree with the complaining that happens on any KS project that you can't just get the "extras" or "add ons." It is my opinion, of which anyone is entitled to disagree with, that if you're going to support a project and want product back in return -- that is, you want to support it more than just an actual donation -- it makes perfect sense for the project managers to require you to actually pledge for the product they're trying to fund. Simply generating more money for the sake of generating more money isn't always a good thing. I think Wrath of Kings is a good example of that.

Sure, getting all the fanatical completionist zombicide players to spend $20 on the Zombicide minis in the WoK kickstarter generated more money, but it does absolutely nothing to benefit the Wrath of Kings game or player base in the long run. Thats why I'm glad they at least half stuck to their guns and made the people that wanted the Twilight Knight buy a starter box as well. If you're looking at these projects as one time deals and don't give a gak about creating a player base that will spend money later, then I guess that's fine for say, a board game. But for a miniatures game that, presumably, will be expanding the line down the future, establishing that player base should be a key focus.

 
   
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Regardless;

yes, I believe the freebies will come to the add-ons. Just like we get a +1 dude for the general level, same deal.

They also said that one of the stretch goals will unlock a larger force for each faction (1000 point to go with the currently existing 500 point Encounter Hosts), that I assume will be a bigger discount and probably have some freebies.

Honestly KS1 didn't have too many freebies. Big guys like the Khthones got Urbad and 2 other figs. Other factions got Urbad and 3-4 small human sized figs.

I'm very pleased with any discount as these models are worth every pfennig of retail price.

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I am hoping for a 1000 sized dragon force... hopefully with some new models. They are too big and awesome looking to have duplicates.

In the end I got almost all of the big big beasties from the last one, this one doesn't seem to offer them at the moment (time will tell).

I do wonder how big the Elephant Commander will be though, that thing looks impressive.
   
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Plastictrees





Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Infantry! We need something for all the big guys to tower over, otherwise we might as well be playing a 65mm game.


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Although Mierce has said that they like James van Schaik's speed for infantry units, so I'm a little nervous.

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I do like the infantry, but I'm in this for the big guys. No one does big guys like them (I have enough small stuff from Reaper )
   
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College Park, MD

Is it just me, or does it seem like this will be a fairly expensive game to get into. $50 or so for the rulebook, $180 for a small starter set; and you'd probably want two in order to have an opponent (since it's of middling likelihood that you'll know someone else with an army.) Genuinely curious.

 
   
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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

 Lansirill wrote:
Is it just me, or does it seem like this will be a fairly expensive game to get into. $50 or so for the rulebook, $180 for a small starter set; and you'd probably want two in order to have an opponent (since it's of middling likelihood that you'll know someone else with an army.) Genuinely curious.


It's more like $180 for the starter and the rulebook.
That's more than you can start many games for and less than some others. So...yes? I guess. The quality of minis is just phenomenal, the rules, I can't comment on as I haven't used them (or read them properly).
It really depends what you're looking for for your dollars. Model per model I think they are actually quite competitive.

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That sounds cheap compared to...ahem, others.

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Dead.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 cincydooley wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:

I have to ask, who appointed you as arbiter of which opinions are valid feedback and which are "complaining"?


That would be Calvin Coolidge.

But seriously, I'm not trying to be the arbiter of anything. I'm saying I disagree with the complaining that happens on any KS project that you can't just get the "extras" or "add ons." It is my opinion, of which anyone is entitled to disagree with, that if you're going to support a project and want product back in return -- that is, you want to support it more than just an actual donation -- it makes perfect sense for the project managers to require you to actually pledge for the product they're trying to fund. Simply generating more money for the sake of generating more money isn't always a good thing. I think Wrath of Kings is a good example of that.

Sure, getting all the fanatical completionist zombicide players to spend $20 on the Zombicide minis in the WoK kickstarter generated more money, but it does absolutely nothing to benefit the Wrath of Kings game or player base in the long run. Thats why I'm glad they at least half stuck to their guns and made the people that wanted the Twilight Knight buy a starter box as well. If you're looking at these projects as one time deals and don't give a gak about creating a player base that will spend money later, then I guess that's fine for say, a board game. But for a miniatures game that, presumably, will be expanding the line down the future, establishing that player base should be a key focus.


You seem to be missing my point. The issue is that you feel you have the right to brand polite, honest, simple feedback as "complaining", despite people repeatedly stating that they're not passing judgement on the motivations at play by the KS company, just giving reasons why the value proposition doesn't excite them enough, or suggesting they might do better with an alternative approach.

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Argh, enough. Everybody hug and start talking about which blood-soaked abomination they most want to buy!

   
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Not sure about Malacant. I have Krull, but I don't know about having a lesser sized variation of him. Hrmmm.

Also, I am hoping. hoping, hoping they have Zethag on a Palanquin of some sort. That would just be ace.
   
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 Fenriswulf wrote:
Not sure about Malacant. I have Krull, but I don't know about having a lesser sized variation of him. Hrmmm.


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