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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes




Virginia

Do models hit by a vector strike get a cover save? -simple question-

-complex answer-

In a previous post concerning the same thing, people answered that yes, the models affected would, their reasoning being that it counts as a shooting attack. I'm not so sure. Vector strikes happen at the end of the movement phase. This is not part of the shooting phase where cover saves are applicable. Keep in mind that MCs count as having fired one weapon already in the shooting phase. This does not mean that they have shot a ranged attack, nor that the Vector Strike counts as a shooting attack towards cover saves, therefore the argument that Vector strikes are shooting attacks is invalid.
Still no answer to the question

What is your take on this?

Also, as an addition, would Swooping MCs have to take grounding tests from these?

Let me know what you think,
Thisisnotpancho
   
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thisisnotpancho wrote:
This is not part of the shooting phase where cover saves are applicable.
Cover saves are no more shooting-phase specific than any other saves, or rolling to-wound or removing casualties for that matter.
   
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Powerful Phoenix Lord





Buffalo, NY

First yes, units hit get a cover save. This is not because it is a shooting attack (or not, doesn't matter) but because it does not specify that you cannot take cover cover saves.

If it is a Shooting attack (which personally I say it is not). then it would cause a Grounding test.

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Virginia

Thanks for the clarification
   
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I hadn't considered the effect cover would have in the earlier discussion about WHERE the attack is considered to come from (start or end of the movement). Cover makes this very important.
   
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Virginia

This is true, where does cover come from? is it the end of the movement or the beginning. My gut feeling would be the end, because it happens after the FMC has completed it's move (it happens at the end of the phase)
   
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End. Happens when movement is complete.

For precedence see Screamers from the CD WD update.
   
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Drager wrote:
End. Happens when movement is complete.

For precedence see Screamers from the CD WD update.


Counter precedence: reaver jetbikes (DE FAQ)... I think the previous thread didn't really end conclusively on this issue.
   
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Virginia

Well both are not vector strikes, so they are not relevant.

I believe it is from where the FMC is at the end. Here is my logic

These are the steps on a turn that you vector strike:

-Declare Swooping/gliding
-Move 12-24"
-Vector strike


Because vector strikes happen at the end of the movement phase, the vector strikes happen after the movement, and is not part of the actual move in any way. Therefore i would believe that an ability such as vector strike that causes wounds would go to the closest model from where the FMC is when the player declares it is vector striking. The FMC does not move and vector strike at the same time, it vector strikes after all movement is done, therefore the position from where you would allocate wounds at the time of the vector strike would be the final position.

Just my take
   
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Dont Vector Strikes work the same way as Sweeps from a Necron CCB? i dont think you get cover saves from the CCB attacks.

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You guys seen Armor of Shrieking Souls lately?

It specifically says "Ignores Cover", implying that cover saves get to be taken for most things unless they mention that you can't use them.

If Vector Striking ignored cover they'd give it the Ignore Cover rule. Until then, yes for cover saves.

When I Vector Strike a Helldrake, I'd let anyone take a cover save and I expect the same.. but with a 4++ who cares

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 Praxiss wrote:
Dont Vector Strikes work the same way as Sweeps from a Necron CCB? i dont think you get cover saves from the CCB attacks.


Because they specify you dont get cover saves. Blade vanes, slashing attacks et al all allow cover saves
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
 Praxiss wrote:
Dont Vector Strikes work the same way as Sweeps from a Necron CCB? i dont think you get cover saves from the CCB attacks.


Because they specify you dont get cover saves. Blade vanes, slashing attacks et al all allow cover saves


Fair enough.

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I'd lump it into the same as a Deffrolla tbh, kind of similar except yours flies ^^

Cover may be taken from a DR when/where applicable. As to when/where the cover is to be taken from, I say where it ends its movement as thats when V strikes are declared.

   
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I don't think that follows the rules for "where does it come from" and what not.

There's only a few things like that.. The Chaos Daemons screamers specifically mention that you should pay attention to where the screamers end their move after doing that attack.

I'd say you could pull the DR casualties from wherever you want, if I was an Ork player.

Theyz just gonna get stomped by da boyz anyways, right?

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