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 ShumaGorath wrote:


They also didn't work in a military force that invaded three continents and were directly responsible for the slaughter of millions of civilians. I'm not sure saying they're worse than nazi era germans makes a lot of sense, do you have any idea what germany did with the people it captured? They also aren't using flying assassinbots that are rsponsible for hundreds of civilian deaths. Of course the RN, and for that matter American militaries aren't worse than who they're fighting, but the idea that fighting a low enemy means we should abandon civility is dangerous.

Bolded the parts that were obviously a moral choice and not a lack of opportunity.

It's also worth pointing out "The Slaughter of Millions of Civilians" is a gross over exaggeration to the point of comedy.

Erm, I think the Nazis WERE responsible for the slaughter of millions of civilians, like. I don't think that's up for debate.

Sounds like fantasist Jew talk to me, Albatross...

Zionists!

 Albatross wrote:
Erm, I think the Nazis WERE responsible for the slaughter of millions of civilians, like. I don't think that's up for debate.

Ah no sorry, I misread Shuma's post and it came off as putting a millions+ civilian death toll on the ISAF/U.S. Military for OIF/OEF (which people HAVE told me before)

 d-usa wrote:
Zionists!

You can't just call people that for no reason. They have to say something about ha-Eretz first.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Albatross wrote:
Erm, I think the Nazis WERE responsible for the slaughter of millions of civilians, like. I don't think that's up for debate.

Ah no sorry, I misread Shuma's post and it came off as putting a millions+ civilian death toll on the ISAF/U.S. Military for OIF/OEF (which people HAVE told me before)

I've never heard anyone say that.

 Albatross wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Albatross wrote:
Erm, I think the Nazis WERE responsible for the slaughter of millions of civilians, like. I don't think that's up for debate.

Ah no sorry, I misread Shuma's post and it came off as putting a millions+ civilian death toll on the ISAF/U.S. Military for OIF/OEF (which people HAVE told me before)

I've never heard anyone say that.

Hippies will have.

I mean, we kinda HAVE killed about what? Between 250,000 - half a million all in.. facts don't bother people with an agenda, I'm sure they would happily add a zero if they were waving a sign outside a submarine base in a Save the Whales T-shirt or something.

In fact, Im pretty sure at that music festival we went to In Kendal someone told me that the Americans killed a million Iraqis.. remember? I was arguing with a bird because she said the Americans "purposely" buried 100,000 Iraqis in the middle of the desert on Desert Storm to "cover up" the theft of some dinars or some such utterly absurd story.

If people can think the moon landings are faked, George Bush hired some Muslim ninjas to take the twin towers down in a controlled explosion, and the holocaust was faked, you can bet your arse some of the great unwashed think we have "butchered" a few million civvies in Iraq and Ganners.

The moon landings WERE faked!

 AustonT wrote:
The moon landings WERE faked!

The best argument I ever had about that was with a mate of mine who believes in literally every conspiracy theory. We were arguing in the pub and I said "If the pictures were faked, surely you wouldn't need to rely on unreliable beardy weirdos in Hawaiian shirts on crappy documentaries to prove it.. the Russian government would come right out with loads of evidence because they were pissed they lost the space race!" and he said

"I bet it was all over the TV and newspapers in Russia.. but nobody in America and Britain speaks Russian!"

The only semi credible thing I have ever heard was ONE guy, who described the sky as "patent leather" which is shiny...I mostly think thats just the deepest black he could think of but come on; space isn't shiny. Fake!

but I'm pretty sure the Soviets were the ones who called it fake first. Even if they thought it was real it was in thier best interests to say otherwise.

 mattyrm wrote:

 Albatross wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Albatross wrote:
Erm, I think the Nazis WERE responsible for the slaughter of millions of civilians, like. I don't think that's up for debate.

Ah no sorry, I misread Shuma's post and it came off as putting a millions+ civilian death toll on the ISAF/U.S. Military for OIF/OEF (which people HAVE told me before)

I've never heard anyone say that.

Hippies will have.

I mean, we kinda HAVE killed about what? Between 250,000 - half a million all in.. facts don't bother people with an agenda, I'm sure they would happily add a zero if they were waving a sign outside a submarine base in a Save the Whales T-shirt or something.

In fact, Im pretty sure at that music festival we went to In Kendal someone told me that the Americans killed a million Iraqis.. remember? I was arguing with a bird because she said the Americans "purposely" buried 100,000 Iraqis in the middle of the desert on Desert Storm to "cover up" the theft of some dinars or some such utterly absurd story.

If people can think the moon landings are faked, George Bush hired some Muslim ninjas to take the twin towers down in a controlled explosion, and the holocaust was faked, you can bet your arse some of the great unwashed think we have "butchered" a few million civvies in Iraq and Ganners.

You'd be amazed the things I hear from various rejects from sane society. Especially when I got a couple month's recruiting duty. Walk around a major American city in dress uniform, even a military friendly one like where I am and you'll get some flying rodent gak crazy comments from people.

 mattyrm wrote:

 Albatross wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Albatross wrote:
Erm, I think the Nazis WERE responsible for the slaughter of millions of civilians, like. I don't think that's up for debate.

Ah no sorry, I misread Shuma's post and it came off as putting a millions+ civilian death toll on the ISAF/U.S. Military for OIF/OEF (which people HAVE told me before)

I've never heard anyone say that.

Hippies will have.

I mean, we kinda HAVE killed about what? Between 250,000 - half a million all in.. facts don't bother people with an agenda, I'm sure they would happily add a zero if they were waving a sign outside a submarine base in a Save the Whales T-shirt or something.

In fact, Im pretty sure at that music festival we went to In Kendal someone told me that the Americans killed a million Iraqis.. remember? I was arguing with a bird because she said the Americans "purposely" buried 100,000 Iraqis in the middle of the desert on Desert Storm to "cover up" the theft of some dinars or some such utterly absurd story.
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Who had just seen 'three kings'

 mattyrm wrote:
If people can think the moon landings are faked, George Bush hired some Muslim ninjas to take the twin towers down in a controlled explosion, and the holocaust was faked, you can bet your arse some of the great unwashed think we have "butchered" a few million civvies in Iraq and Ganners.

And they are right. Ha. Hahaha.

Mythbusters did an episode and debunked 6 (I think) different theories on the moon landings being faked...

In about an hour long episode ... I lol'd... Because I remember one of my old college tutors saying he reckoned they were faked, and six seperate theories that "proved" it were busted...

He was a very strange person, even beside that one view. Not a tutor I would be particularly happy to see again...

EDIT: Woah, that was a little OT...

Saw this on FB and was struck by the statement, do you guys agree with him? I do think it is ridiculous that killing the enemy is considered murder.

Except killing isn't murder.

Unlawful killing that violates the ROE and the rules of the forces you are serving under is murder.

Well killing is the act of taking a life. Murder is the act of illegally taking a life.

R.O.E, LOAC, the Geneva Conventions, etc et al, all exist to help define the legality of taking a human life in combat, to answer the question whether or not one is committing murder from a legal perspective. (there's other things those laws do of course, but this is fairly important)

Is killing the enemy murder? No. Can you still commit murder in a warzone? Yes. Was the act of these RMs murder? Me personally? No.

All up to a Court Martial now.

Edit: Ninja'd by d-usa

 d-usa wrote:
Except killing isn't murder.

Unlawful killing that violates the ROE and the rules of the forces you are serving under is murder.

Indigenous combatant fires on NATO troops, NATO troops shot back, enemy combatant killed.
ROE fulfilled.
/later in the Brit Cave
Dick wearing a camera ruins it for everyone.

 AustonT wrote:

Dick wearing a camera ruins it for everyone.

I would have though that a section standing aroud watching someone bleed out would have ruined things first.

Palindrome wrote:

 AustonT wrote:

Dick wearing a camera ruins it for everyone.

I would have though that a section standing aroud watching someone bleed out would have ruined things first.

Nope Camera

I wonder what bitte bitte means.

 AustonT wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

 AustonT wrote:

Dick wearing a camera ruins it for everyone.

I would have though that a section standing aroud watching someone bleed out would have ruined things first.

Nope Camera

I wonder what bitte bitte means.

If the particular terd knows German, then it means please.... which would be fairly odd to say the least. And I definitely agree, the camera will get you every time.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 AustonT wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

 AustonT wrote:

Dick wearing a camera ruins it for everyone.

I would have though that a section standing aroud watching someone bleed out would have ruined things first.

Nope Camera

I wonder what bitte bitte means.

If the particular terd knows German, then it means please.... which would be fairly odd to say the least. And I definitely agree, the camera will get you every time.

Its from Longest Day.