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2012/10/14 04:34:32
Subject: Re:Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
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2012/10/14 04:55:14
Subject: Re:Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
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Which plenty of Liberals do.
He is a little too close to the center for many of them.
Another thing to consider is the person that did this missed and quickly got out of dodge. A gunhappy rightwinger wouldn't have missed
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Which side has spend the last year building the narrative that this country will cease to exist as we know it and that everything every soldier died for will be gone forever if Obama wins?
2012/10/14 05:04:21
Subject: Re:Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
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I was being slightly sarcastic
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2012/10/14 05:11:11
Subject: Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
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2012/10/14 05:45:07
Subject: Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
I'd actually buy the Machiavellian political ploy by the Dems. This campaign's been dirty, I see no reason for them to start playing fair now.
An actual nutcase would have attempted to you know... shoot the President. Not a glass window.
It's also possible that this is just random vandalism. I think I've mentioned that I've been working corporate security in Colorado for a couple years now and more then one of my offices has taken a bullet to a window pane in the night.
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The most likely meaning is that someone is trying to intimidate Obama campaign volunteers through the threat of violence.
There's always the possibility of it being something else, but Occam's Razor suggests an easy most likely scenario.
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An actual nutcase would have attempted to you know... shoot the President. Not a glass window.
That's not how intimidation works. You don't target the guy with masses of physical security, you target the people peripheral to him; the people without masses of physical security.
This is particularly true with regard to democratic elections.
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2012/10/15 05:47:26
Subject: Re:Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
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A backwoods democratic office is not the place to do intimidation. Its in a solid conservative state.
If it was an attempts at intimidation, it wouldn't have been against supporters of Obama. It would have been targeting someone running for local office.
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Well, considering the fact that actual people sometimes get hit by random bullets I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that someone accidentally the window. Also, driving in rural areas you'll see bullet holes in all manner of things.
That said, it's also entirely possible that someone shot the window as a "message." If so, they need to pay more attention at terrorist school, because you're supposed to claim responsibility and explain why you did the bad thing. Otherwise people might not get your message.
Either way, I'm glad no one got hurt. We're supposed to live in a relatively civilized country, and this sort of shenanigans doesn't cut it.
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2012/10/15 05:54:26
Subject: Re:Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
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Compared to other countries, we are very civilized and peaceful. The fact that a bullet going through a political parties office is national news proves it.
In many places, this would be an everyday occurance that wouldn't even make people blink. Heck, people getting shot in this situation wouldn't be news in other countries.
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Grey Templar wrote: A backwoods democratic office is not the place to do intimidation. Its in a solid conservative state.
If it was an attempts at intimidation, it wouldn't have been against supporters of Obama. It would have been targeting someone running for local office.
....Denver is a major metropolitan area, the site of the first presidential debate and we're considered a swing state because Californians keep their winter homes/tax shelters here.
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I wasn't aware Colorado became a swing state.
And you are correct in that a major metropolitan area is going to be a more liberal area, but I think you know what I meant
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djones520 wrote: The automatic assumption that is was a "right-winger". I knew this would be rampant.
Well, the most likely explanation will tend to be, uh... 'rampant'. That's kind of how thinking works.
The most likely person to fire a bullet into a Democratic campaign office is a right wing crazy. Other things are also possible, but that is far and away the most likely.
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AustonT wrote: Republican upshot in the polls. Democratic campaign drive by. Who could possibly stand to benefit?
Uh huh. So we have djones520 complaining that people are assuming an attack against a Democratic campaign office is probably from a right winger, but then you're happy to just launch into some wild eyed speculation about some Democratic conspiracy. I wonder if he's going to post again to tell you off?
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Grey Templar wrote: A backwoods democratic office is not the place to do intimidation. Its in a solid conservative state.
If it was an attempts at intimidation, it wouldn't have been against supporters of Obama. It would have been targeting someone running for local office.
Colorado is that in among the half dozen most competitive states in the race. And Obama is leading in most state based polls.
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Grey Templar wrote: Compared to other countries, we are very civilized and peaceful. The fact that a bullet going through a political parties office is national news proves it.
In many places, this would be an everyday occurance that wouldn't even make people blink. Heck, people getting shot in this situation wouldn't be news in other countries.
Absolutely. And while this news needs to be kept in the context of how peaceful and orderly US politics are in general, it doesn't mean things like this are okay. In fact, doing everything possible to make sure the culprit is caught is the best way of making sure your politics remain so successful.
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2012/10/15 08:59:34
Subject: Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
sebster wrote: Well, the most likely explanation will tend to be, uh... 'rampant'. That's kind of how thinking works.
The most likely person to fire a bullet into a Democratic campaign office is a right wing crazy. Other things are also possible, but that is far and away the most likely.
Everyone thought that about the Giffords shooting, too.
2012/10/15 09:48:42
Subject: Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
sebster wrote: Well, the most likely explanation will tend to be, uh... 'rampant'. That's kind of how thinking works.
The most likely person to fire a bullet into a Democratic campaign office is a right wing crazy. Other things are also possible, but that is far and away the most likely.
Everyone thought that about the Giffords shooting, too.
Because even then it was the most likely explanation early on; 'most likely' doesn't mean there are no other possibilities. There are many examples of a husband or wife being murdered in which the culprit was not the spouse, but whenever a husband/wife dies and the death is investigated the spouse is always the first one looked into because they are the most likely to have done it/been involved.
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2012/10/15 10:24:33
Subject: Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
Ahtman wrote: Because even then it was the most likely explanation early on; 'most likely' doesn't mean there are no other possibilities. There are many examples of a husband or wife being murdered in which the culprit was not the spouse, but whenever a husband/wife dies and the death is investigated the spouse is always the first one looked into because they are the most likely to have done it/been involved.
Due to statistical evidence, yes. If spouses were routinely found to have nothing to do with the murder of their partner, that assumption would fade.
2012/10/15 12:48:22
Subject: Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
An actual nutcase would have attempted to you know... shoot the President. Not a glass window.
That's not how intimidation works. You don't target the guy with masses of physical security, you target the people peripheral to him; the people without masses of physical security.
This is particularly true with regard to democratic elections.
Kind of hard to intimidate a guy with 15,000 nuclear warheads, and 100,000 screaming leathernecks with bombs and tanks and rifles and stuff though...
Plus he's from Chicago. THEY do the intimidating. I always liked people from Chicago.
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2012/10/15 13:34:10
Subject: Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
I think if he does win this time, some lunatics will go over the edge. This is worrying.
He wasn't in Denver at the time, so it wasn't an assassination attempt as much as it was potential domestic terrorism or attempted murder of the campaign workers.
Some one fired an automatic rifle at the White House when President Clinton was in, and another man shot a gun at the White House when President Bush was there, if you'll remember.
Not trying to diminish this cowardly act, but this let's not make this into anything more than a nut with a gun.
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2012/10/15 13:46:41
Subject: Shot fired into Obama campaign office - Denver
d-usa wrote: You feel pretty gangster shooting up the office, until you notice the drone heading your way.
It's legal to operate those things in U.S. Airspace now apparently, hide yo kids, hide yo wife!
Not really they just made it not impossible to get a COA. Which is and was a miserable process.
I'd be more worried (as a random shooter) about those police systems that locate the site of a gunshot immediately and within a yard.
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AustonT wrote: Republican upshot in the polls. Democratic campaign drive by. Who could possibly stand to benefit?
Uh huh. So we have djones520 complaining that people are assuming an attack against a Democratic campaign office is probably from a right winger, but then you're happy to just launch into some wild eyed speculation about some Democratic conspiracy. I wonder if he's going to post again to tell you off?
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Californians keep their winter homes/tax shelters here.
