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 kronk wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


I think if he does win this time, some lunatics will go over the edge. This is worrying.

He wasn't in Denver at the time, so it wasn't an assassination attempt as much as it was potential domestic terrorism or attempted murder of the campaign workers.

Some one fired an automatic rifle at the White House when President Clinton was in, and another man shot a gun at the White House when President Bush was there, if you'll remember.

Not trying to diminish this cowardly act, but this let's not make this into anything more than a nut with a gun.

How time flies. SOMEONE FLEW A PLANE INTO THE WH when CLinton was in office. SS was kicking back with brewskies I guess. Now it would be blasted forty miles away and all survivors and/or corpses would still have to go through a TSA second level screening - because it is the 8th level of hell....

I remember that, he wasn't even a right wing crazy either. Just a desperate man.
Missed an oppourtunity to see Clinton speak last week because the wife had to work, it's a shame, I like Clinton even more than I hate Obama.

Obviously, the Obamam team did NOTHING to ensur ethe right security personnel were in place at the Denver office. They are lucky this wasn't Benghazi all over again.

This could be worse than Watergate!

I must have miss something. We have active terrorist groups in the USA? Milita compounds that far south...west...southwest?

 Jihadin wrote:
I must have miss something. We have active terrorist groups in the USA? Milita compounds that far south...west...southwest?

If you look hard enough there are militia compounds in almost if not every state. It's long been my theory that Zombie prepping was the new pseudonym for militia stockpiling and training.

 Jihadin wrote:
I must have miss something. We have active terrorist groups in the USA? Milita compounds that far south...west...southwest?

I wasn't aware a bunch of people conducting military drills on their own property was considered terrorist activity

wasn't aware a bunch of people conducting military drills on their own property was considered terrorist activity

Hey...I put you down on the terrorist column if you keep shooting me repeatedly with the paintball gun

 Grey Templar wrote:

I wasn't aware a bunch of people conducting military drills on their own property was considered terrorist activity

Consider yourself informed.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Another thing to consider is the person that did this missed and quickly got out of dodge. A gunhappy rightwinger wouldn't have missed

Or a gunhappy rightwinger knows the punishment for property damage is a hell of a lot less than second degree murder.

Sounds like alcohol involved

 Jihadin wrote:
Sounds like not enough alcohol involved

Corrected your typo.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I wasn't aware Colorado became a swing state.

And you are correct in that a major metropolitan area is going to be a more liberal area, but I think you know what I meant

I was shocked too. But I am informed we are... I blame the idiots in Boulder and Vail.

I was also just saying it's not a backwoods democratic officer, it's down town in a fairly large city XD

Boulder has a lot of hippies

 Piston Honda wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I wasn't aware Colorado became a swing state.

And you are correct in that a major metropolitan area is going to be a more liberal area, but I think you know what I meant

I was shocked too. But I am informed we are... I blame the idiots in Boulder and Vail.

I was also just saying it's not a backwoods democratic officer, it's down town in a fairly large city XD

Boulder has a lot of hippies

Yeah... but, the wimminz in Boulder...



Seriously...

 Mannahnin wrote:
Are you joking?

The most likely meaning is that someone is trying to intimidate Obama campaign volunteers through the threat of violence.

There's always the possibility of it being something else, but Occam's Razor suggests an easy most likely scenario.

However, Insane Troll Logic dictates the following.

Obama is a Democrat.

The politician who was called out because she plays World of Warcraft is also a Democrat.

World of Warcraft is a fantasy game.

Warhammer is also a fantasy game.

Warhammer is produced by Games Workshop.

Therefore, this guy is a Privateer Press mole trying to topple Games Workshop! Shoot him!

But....its against the law to shoot someone in the US....gunz are evil....all fire arms need to be ban....we live in a safe productive world...cats and dogs walk happily down the street. Angels and Demons interspecis marriage..CSM can be redeemed....Abaddon is promoting kid games in the park...Slannesh prancing around in the flower beds...more headheads in the stripper bars that one can shake a stick at.....its uberliscious.....oxy and vicadin so wonderful...the pretty colors....no need to turn the lights on you just all the pretty colors go away...

Maybe it's time to half the PTSD drugs?

Touch my med and lose your fingers at the neck.....

 Jihadin wrote:
Touch my med and lose your fingers at the neck.....

Jihadin... you wouldn't be from Boulder, CO... would ya?

I know a few people that talk like that...

Ft. Carson south of there...

 Jihadin wrote:
Ft. Carson south of there...

Figures...

Just kidding...

My folks moved in the moutains near Golden... been all over that state.

Cool state

Oh... must be a loonie shooting at that office.

Still no progress from DPD...I thought they had a vehicle IDed.

I think they just had a description, not a plate number.

I don't think they said one way or the other, just that they were reviewing video. It's entirely possible they didn't have a plate. But a vehicle description maybe a fuzzy screen grab of the shooter probably go a long way.
I'm mostly suspicious that this story was reported, repeated and then dropped.

 Seaward wrote:
Everyone thought that about the Giffords shooting, too.

Yeah, and?

When someone blows themselves up in a crowded market, odds are they were a Muslim extremist. Other options are possible, but we shouldn't pretend the most likely outcome isn't the most likely.

This sounds a bit like those smokers who ignore the numbers of people who die every year, and instead point out the one guy who didn't. Yeah, odd things happen, but probability remains meaningful.


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 Seaward wrote:
Due to statistical evidence, yes. If spouses were routinely found to have nothing to do with the murder of their partner, that assumption would fade.

And we know from the history of political violence that attacks are far more likely to come from the opposition, than from some strange conspiracy to make one's self out as the victim, or anything else like that.

And so the assumption hasn't faded, and the calls to not consider this to most likely be the work of right wing nut continue to be weak.


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 AustonT wrote:
Maurice Schwenkler.

And?

'Look, some guy did something vaguely similar one time' does not contradict probability.

 sebster wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
Everyone thought that about the Giffords shooting, too.

Yeah, and?

When someone blows themselves up in a crowded market, odds are they were a Muslim extremist. Other options are possible, but we shouldn't pretend the most likely outcome isn't the most likely.

This sounds a bit like those smokers who ignore the numbers of people who die every year, and instead point out the one guy who didn't. Yeah, odd things happen, but probability remains meaningful.


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 Seaward wrote:
Due to statistical evidence, yes. If spouses were routinely found to have nothing to do with the murder of their partner, that assumption would fade.

And we know from the history of political violence that attacks are far more likely to come from the opposition, than from some strange conspiracy to make one's self out as the victim, or anything else like that.

And so the assumption hasn't faded, and the calls to not consider this to most likely be the work of right wing nut continue to be weak.

Until you actually look at the recent history of violence targeted at political figures in this country, anyway. Then you start to realize that very little to none of it was conducted by "the opposition."

But let's not allow facts to get in the way of a good narrative, I suppose.

 Seaward wrote:

But let's not allow facts to get in the way of a good narrative, I suppose.

That would fly in the face of everything Sebs believes in.

That's terribly ironic. Auston, I was starting to think you were more reasonable than that, too.

While the observation about violence toward political figures in recent years mostly coming from lone nuts is a valid one, it's also changing the subject.

An anonymous act of violence/intimidation toward a campaign office is a very different thing than a nutjob taking a shot at a politician. It's much more akin to the kind of intimidation tactics the KKK used to use, like putting bullets through windows, painting threatening slogans on people's houses, and the like.

 Mannahnin wrote:
That's terribly ironic. Auston, I was starting to think you were more reasonable than that, too.

Its an observation on how a particular member of this forum posts.

An anonymous act of violence/intimidation toward a campaign office is a very different thing than a nutjob taking a shot at a politician. It's much more akin to the kind of intimidation tactics the KKK used to use, like putting bullets through windows, painting threatening slogans on people's houses, and the like.

I couldn't decide weather I wanted to answer with a specific example fitting the situation

or a picture

so I did both.

it does smack of intimidation, but to conjure the KKK is jumping the gun, kind of like this guy:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13177418-and-so-it-begins-shots-fired-at-obama-campaign-office-in-denver

just like saying hanging a chair is a racial statement not a political one while you screw you eyes shut and try to pretend that almost, if not every, president has been hung in effigy.
A campaign office was shot, once, and no suspect is in custody but immediately it must be some teap part/ right wing nut. Right there in the OP. Lets ignore the fact that in the last election cycle the same candidates supporters tried to make it look like intimidation tactics were being used, how could that possibly be relevant? oh wait.
You can imagine that stupid ORLY owl here.

I'm sure everyone here talking about a logical explanation and occums razor said the same thing in 2010 when Eric Cantor was fuming about his office being shot until:

Source: Associated Press

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Richmond police say the bullet that hit a window of Republican Virginia Congressman Eric Cantor's office had been randomly fired skyward.

Amid reports of threats and vandalism against Democrats who voted Sunday for sweeping health care reforms, Cantor said at a Washington news conference Thursday that a bullet was fired into his Richmond office.

In a news release, Richmond police said that the bullet had been fired into the air early Tuesday. It hit the front window of a building that houses Cantor's campaign office as it fell to back earth at a sharp angle.

So until proven otherwise I'm going with a Maurice Schwenkler incident.

What exactly does Byrd have to do with anything? Other than being a crazy relic of the days when the Dems were the party most of the racists were in, as opposed the last fifty years, in which most of them have moved over to the R ticket?

Hanging a chair in a tree, when a chair has just been used publicly as a stand-in for a prominent black public figure, has a different significance than hanging just any politician in effigy. Not to mention that an effigy is normally burned, not just hanged. People being aware of lynching and its racial dimension is not "screwing their eyes shut". Pretending there's no racial dimension in a lot of the more hateful stuff spewed toward Obama does smack of sticking one's head in the sand.

The Cantor incident might have been seen differently if he had voted for one of those bills unpopular with the whackjobs waving guns around at political rallies, and getting all paranoid about the ACA/Obamacare. As he's a Republican, and as no crowds of Dems had been protesting outside his office, no one (AFAICR) thought it was an attempt at intimidation based on his political views. The context wasn't there to make that a likely possibility.

 Seaward wrote:
Until you actually look at the recent history of violence targeted at political figures in this country, anyway. Then you start to realize that very little to none of it was conducted by "the opposition."

But let's not allow facts to get in the way of a good narrative, I suppose.

But you're not "looking into it". You just went out looking for one or two counter-cases and then started pretending they were more common. That's the exact, 100% opposite of "looking into it".


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 AustonT wrote:
That would fly in the face of everything Sebs believes in.

Yeah, nice, well done. I really do feel the burn over that one.

I mean, it's obvious now that given your fairly loose relationship to facts you were never going to make on the policical circuit, but with shots like that one above it's good to know you can switch into stand up comedy.