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Y-you're seriously insinuating that Orks would fly right through an Eldar/Imperium blockade and no fighting would break out?

Your logic doesn't work out. Allowing the armies to get huger and huger is counter-productive to keeping them from getting out. If either army gets too big, they'll be too large to contain. Thus, preventing more Orks from joining the fight, and thus preventing the Tyranids from gaining more biomass, works to both of their advantages.

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Unless of course the tyranids actually win. They have more than enough biomass there.

What I'm suggesting is that attempting to maintain a blockade fleet is a untenable situation, reinforcements especially orks and nids won't reliably arrive in outerspace but instead may completely bypsss the fleet and arrive in system anyway.

To maintain a fleet you have to total coverage. If orks arrive and want to go in system, they will go there. Its an entirety of an ork reinforcement fleet, you may be able to block a few, but once you start taking casualties your blockade begins to crumble, and it WILL crumble in the middle of an ork empire.
Some orks Captains may find it more fun to hunt down the the imperial than sit in orbit. If that starts to happen the entire plan of launching an exterminatus is in extreme jeopardy.
The only way to ensure your still in a position to complete your primary objective of exterminatus is to contain. Allow incoming forces through, contain anything leaving.

Of course if orks begin to hear that oomies sare getting involved in the big scrap then ork reinforcements will come thicker and faster.

Containing the nids and orks isn't a problem as long the fight rages on the surface. Orkses don't run from a scrap.

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If the Tyranids win the Imperium will have the same problem.

The point is that the notion that the Imperium and Eldar won't be engaging Orks as they pop in-system makes zero sense. They couldn't not engage them, even if they wanted too. As soon as Orks pop up, they'll be engaging the first thing they see, whether it be Tyranids, Eldar or Imperial ships. Thus, the blockade is going to be up to its boots in dead Orks.

Sure, some of the orks will pop in close enough to the planets themselves to avoid getting embroiled in the battle, but most of them will not, if the fluff descriptions of the blockades are any indication. Thus, having a blockade around the system is going to result in tons of ork reinforcements that should be going to the battle on the ground, simply getting caught up fighting Eldar/Imperial forces.

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-Loki- wrote:I'm still not sure why people are saying orks resources are infinite. While they reproduce Orks readily enough, the metals they use for their technology definitely isn't infinite. In fact, metals, on the scale things are made in 40k, would be far more finite than biomass.


Well nids have those talon things. Thye seem to be good enough for chopping stuff.

Bobthehero wrote:Its pictures, and frankly I always though it was a terrible idea to begin with, stuff invented by people, hey I read a game report where Thrakka got killed, so he's obviously dead, right?

The 'nids can also recycle their bio-titans too, and ork spores are bio-stuff, so I am fairly sure at least some spores would get nommed before they hatch.


Well Thrakka was clearly fixed by the dok afterwards.

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BlaxicanX wrote:
If the Tyranids win the Imperium will have the same problem.

The point is that the notion that the Imperium and Eldar won't be engaging Orks as they pop in-system makes zero sense. They couldn't not engage them, even if they wanted too. As soon as Orks pop up, they'll be engaging the first thing they see, whether it be Tyranids, Eldar or Imperial ships. Thus, the blockade is going to be up to its boots in dead Orks.

Sure, some of the orks will pop in close enough to the planets themselves to avoid getting embroiled in the battle, but most of them will not, if the fluff descriptions of the blockades are any indication. Thus, having a blockade around the system is going to result in tons of ork reinforcements that should be going to the battle on the ground, simply getting caught up fighting Eldar/Imperial forces.



And if orks start engaging imperials and eldar, there will be only 1 winner. Orks. In the middle of an ork empire, maintaining a blockade fleet is untenable. If the fight does happen the orks will break the blockade after going through the imperials.

The imperials cannot hope to stop all those reinforcements, but must survive to perform the exterminatus. Ideally a strike fleet ready to delve in at short notice would be better than whittling away your resources trying to maintain an impossible blockade.

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 Eetion wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
If the Tyranids win the Imperium will have the same problem.

The point is that the notion that the Imperium and Eldar won't be engaging Orks as they pop in-system makes zero sense. They couldn't not engage them, even if they wanted too. As soon as Orks pop up, they'll be engaging the first thing they see, whether it be Tyranids, Eldar or Imperial ships. Thus, the blockade is going to be up to its boots in dead Orks.

Sure, some of the orks will pop in close enough to the planets themselves to avoid getting embroiled in the battle, but most of them will not, if the fluff descriptions of the blockades are any indication. Thus, having a blockade around the system is going to result in tons of ork reinforcements that should be going to the battle on the ground, simply getting caught up fighting Eldar/Imperial forces.



And if orks start engaging imperials and eldar, there will be only 1 winner. Orks. In the middle of an ork empire, maintaining a blockade fleet is untenable. If the fight does happen the orks will break the blockade after going through the imperials.

The imperials cannot hope to stop all those reinforcements, but must survive to perform the exterminatus. Ideally a strike fleet ready to delve in at short notice would be better than whittling away your resources trying to maintain an impossible blockade.


From what I understand the Imperium troops are just there to guard the territory that is being threatened from the violence spilling over from the war. The whole point was for the Nids and Orks to waste as many resources as possible killing each other. I understand wanting a presence there to enact orbital bombardment once a clear winner is apparent but why would they be attempting to blockade anything when the war was their plan all along?
   
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 Shlazaor wrote:
 Eetion wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
If the Tyranids win the Imperium will have the same problem.

The point is that the notion that the Imperium and Eldar won't be engaging Orks as they pop in-system makes zero sense. They couldn't not engage them, even if they wanted too. As soon as Orks pop up, they'll be engaging the first thing they see, whether it be Tyranids, Eldar or Imperial ships. Thus, the blockade is going to be up to its boots in dead Orks.

Sure, some of the orks will pop in close enough to the planets themselves to avoid getting embroiled in the battle, but most of them will not, if the fluff descriptions of the blockades are any indication. Thus, having a blockade around the system is going to result in tons of ork reinforcements that should be going to the battle on the ground, simply getting caught up fighting Eldar/Imperial forces.



And if orks start engaging imperials and eldar, there will be only 1 winner. Orks. In the middle of an ork empire, maintaining a blockade fleet is untenable. If the fight does happen the orks will break the blockade after going through the imperials.

The imperials cannot hope to stop all those reinforcements, but must survive to perform the exterminatus. Ideally a strike fleet ready to delve in at short notice would be better than whittling away your resources trying to maintain an impossible blockade.


From what I understand the Imperium troops are just there to guard the territory that is being threatened from the violence spilling over from the war. The whole point was for the Nids and Orks to waste as many resources as possible killing each other. I understand wanting a presence there to enact orbital bombardment once a clear winner is apparent but why would they be attempting to blockade anything when the war was their plan all along?


I agree wholeheartedly, but I lack the fluff to back it up. I'd imagined it as a force to contain the enemy there.

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 Eetion wrote:

And if orks start engaging imperials and eldar, there will be only 1 winner. Orks. In the middle of an ork empire, maintaining a blockade fleet is untenable. If the fight does happen the orks will break the blockade after going through the imperials.
The Ork empire's already been destroyed. The capital of the Empire, with its leaders, was the first thing the Tyranids ate, and the Nid codex states that the Ork armies within the system basically collapsed into in-fighting once their commanders were dead. So now you have orks randomly spilling into the system with zero cohesion or organization, engaging the first thing they see, even if its other Orks, as that's their nature. They aren't wiping out Eldar or Imperium fleets any time soon,especially considering that the Imperial and Eldar navy is far superior to Ork navies anyway.

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No the warboss at ghorla was killed by lictors, and then started infighting due to the leviathan fleet been decimated, the small hidden nids acted cautiosly.
Orks won that battle not the nids.


Lexicanum: The war eventually spread to Octarius, the central world of the Empire. Never before had Octarius seen such bloodshed, and the war soon spread from the planet out to the entirety of the Octarius Sector. Other Ork worlds lost to the Tyranids include Orrok, Derragon and Keltor.


4 worlds lost does not an Empire make.

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The Octarius war contines to escalate. Recent reports indicate that the Tyranid Swarmlord has joined the assault on the Orks of Octarius. Kryptman's plan to have both xenos species destroy each other at first appeared to be successful. However, his plan backfired. Orks from lightyears around are flocking to Octarius, and are growing bigger and stronger on their diet of conflict. And every Ork devoured gives more biomass to the growing Tyranid swarm, which is constantly learning and adapting new ways to defeat their foes. Kryptman started a series of events that is making both sides stronger. Whichever race wins the war will emerge stronger than before


Orks from light years around are flocking are they, neither side is gainig an advantage, neither side is stated as definatively as loosing. Its not one system the orks and nids are fighting in. Your seriously suggesting the imperium can actively engage and blockade an empire? The Empire was kicking imperial forces in the teeth, The imperium was loosing that conflict. The fight brewing between the orks and nids is something the imperium can't get involved in. Keep imperial planets safe, but its escalated out of their control.

As for imperial fleets being better, sure, their ships of the line may be better, but ork ships are numerous, hearvily armed and armoured and able to take a hell of a beating.
And more than capable of giving an imperial admiral a headache.
Let's not forget octarius is almost the size of ultramar, that's no small number of vessels and planets, and only 4 are cited as overrun (I'm sure there are more however) but the orks are Far from finished. And whomever does win will run through the imeprials with almost contemptuous ease.

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And whomever does win will run through the imeprials with almost contemptuous ease.


Too bad the Imperium has Exterminatus.
   
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I like how you suggest that the imperial ships manage to get close enough to perform exterminatus.

I like how you suggest that survivors of the war actually are on a single planet.

I like how you suggest that the emprah is still on your side
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Every time I hear "in my opinion" or "just my opinion" makes me want to strangle a puppy. People use their opinions as a shield that other poeple can't critisize and that is bs.

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BlaxicanX wrote:
 Eetion wrote:

And if orks start engaging imperials and eldar, there will be only 1 winner. Orks. In the middle of an ork empire, maintaining a blockade fleet is untenable. If the fight does happen the orks will break the blockade after going through the imperials.
The Ork empire's already been destroyed. The capital of the Empire, with its leaders, was the first thing the Tyranids ate, and the Nid codex states that the Ork armies within the system basically collapsed into in-fighting once their commanders were dead. So now you have orks randomly spilling into the system with zero cohesion or organization, engaging the first thing they see, even if its other Orks, as that's their nature. They aren't wiping out Eldar or Imperium fleets any time soon,especially considering that the Imperial and Eldar navy is far superior to Ork navies anyway.



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I like how you suggest that the imperial ships manage to get close enough to perform exterminatus.

I like how you suggest that survivors of the war actually are on a single planet.

I like how you suggest that the emprah is still on your side
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Look, he or she did not say that all the survivors were on one planet. And yeah, the imperial ships would get close enough to Exterminatus.
Not sure about the Emprah though lol.

They could nuke ALL the planets with enough fleets. Take some SM Chapter fleets, a bunch o' Imperial Navy ships, and a few Inquisition ships and you're good to go.

Seeing a squad of veterens swoop in in a Vendetta, secure the area, deliver that math assignment, and extract within 2 minutes would be freaking sweet.

 
   
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 Eetion wrote:
No the warboss at ghorla was killed by lictors, and then started infighting due to the leviathan fleet been decimated, the small hidden nids acted cautiosly.
Orks won that battle not the nids.


>Ork warboss gets eaten alive by lictors.
>Ork chieftains start fighting among themselves.
> Tyranids eat all of the Orks on the planet and leave it a desolate, baren rock with no living life left on it.

In your mind, that's a victory for the Orks. LOL


4 worlds lost does not an Empire make.


Provide your fluff evidence that defines how many planets are within the Empire. Oh right, you have none. You're relying on a wiki for all your information... lol

Codex: Tyranids states that despite the combined efforts of the Imperium, Eldar, and Orks, it alone is thriving on the conflict. Orks are not stalemating the Tyranids, they're fighting for their lives, whereas the Tyranids are only getting stronger.

With reinforcements slowed down to a trickle by the blockade, it's only a matter of time until the Orks are wiped out.
   
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BlaxicanX wrote:
 Eetion wrote:
No the warboss at ghorla was killed by lictors, and then started infighting due to the leviathan fleet been decimated, the small hidden nids acted cautiosly.
Orks won that battle not the nids.


>Ork warboss gets eaten alive by lictors.
>Ork chieftains start fighting among themselves.
> Tyranids eat all of the Orks on the planet and leave it a desolate, baren rock with no living life left on it.

In your mind, that's a victory for the Orks. LOL


4 worlds lost does not an Empire make.


Provide your fluff evidence that defines how many planets are within the Empire. Oh right, you have none. You're relying on a wiki for all your information... lol

Codex: Tyranids states that despite the combined efforts of the Imperium, Eldar, and Orks, it alone is thriving on the conflict. Orks are not stalemating the Tyranids, they're fighting for their lives, whereas the Tyranids are only getting stronger.

With reinforcements slowed down to a trickle by the blockade, it's only a matter of time until the Orks are wiped out.


First Lictors have to go through hella defences, and scans, not to mention squig hounds and kommandos. Lictors are hard to see but they have a scent that. Also They have to fight the warboss and if they do manage to kill him then there is a chance the dok can save him. To many things can go wrong. That tactic is fool proof, I mean the hasnt stopped yet or anything its just keep going. If the that tactic is as fool proof as you say why havent they won yet?

Also wtf is there a Eldar and Iom fleet??? Ok and when the new ork codex comes out there is gonna be a shift and the orks are gonna win point? Its the codex its supposed to make them seem unstoppable. Where does it says reinforcements are slowed down to a trickle???? If there is a blockade around the system then wouldnt that speed up the amount of reinforcments going to system? Really orks just want to fight a foe worth fighting. Orks wont fight orks if other foes are around in a short distance. Or else we wouldnt have waaaagghhhs.

Exterminatus wont work Im afraid. Too many planets. Plus how will they know when the war ends? When a huge wave of enemys come rushing at them. They cant receive any warp transmissions cause shadow of the warp. so no faster then light communications. Also They will have plenty of ships allover space. Who ever wins will be used to be attacking from space to tactics will be set up to automaticly deal with these enemies in space. Either or victor will be xenos Loser Iom.



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willhman wrote:

First Lictors have to go through hella defences, and scans, not to mention squig hounds and kommandos. Lictors are hard to see but they have a scent that. Also They have to fight the warboss and if they do manage to kill him then there is a chance the dok can save him. To many things can go wrong. That tactic is fool proof, I mean the hasnt stopped yet or anything its just keep going. If the that tactic is as fool proof as you say why havent they won yet?


It is hard to have any sort of debate when people (of both sides) are mis-remembering or simply pulling things out of the air and making things up instead of looking or citing any actual information.

The Tyranids have already won at Ghorala, as stated by GW, so arguing about that particular world is pointless:


It was shortly after the planet Orrok fell to the advance of Leviathan that the Tyranids approached Ghorala, base to Skarfang, Pirate-Warboss of the dreaded Skar Fleet.

...

WIth Skarfang dead, it did not take the Orks long until vying bosses started fighting amongst themselves to determine who would fill the power vacuum. The tribes were soon divided and infighting ran ak.. the now disparate forcof Orks were easy prey to the united Tyranid swarm and each was isolated and destroyed in quick succession. Within weeks the Orks on Ghorala had been slaughtered like cattle and the Tyranids gorged on their flesh.

From the digested remains of the prey world the swarm created new Hive Ships. Using Ghorala as a stepping stone, the Tyranid infestation quickly began to spread once more. The Ork worlds of Derragon and Keltor fell shortly after and even Octarius itself, centre of the Ork Empire, found itself embroiled in war.

p. 30-31, 5th edition Tyranid Codex


Skarfang died. He wasn't revived. No dok saved him. Orks are tough and resilient but not immortal.

Four worlds of the Octarius Empire therefore have already fallen and been stripped bare, as stated by GW. No amount of wishful thinking by Ork supporters is going to change that fact. The very fact that Ork worlds have already been overwhelmed and consumed also shows such a feat is possible for the Tyranids. The Ork method of reproduction and the squig ecosystem is not some sort of invulnerable shield or impassable obstacle that would stop the Tyranids cold.

The conflict on Octarius itself is still undecided, but it isn't some shoe in for the Orks if they have already lost 4 worlds to the Tyranids. Debate about Octarius, not Ghorala.

That said, all is not necessarily in favor of the Tyranids. The Eldar for example have intervened (though against both Orks and Tyranids):


Several Eldar craftworlds have begun to burn entire worlds to a cinder, employing ancient weapons of destruction not used in millennia.

p. 31, 5th edition Tyranid Codex



Eldar from the Biel Tan and Saim Hann Craftworlds devastate Imperial and Ork-held worlds surrounding the Octavius (sic) system with the intent of denying crucial bio-resources to Hive Fleet Leviathan.

p. 129, 5th edition 40K rulebook



Eldar from the Biel-Tan and Saim-Hann Craftworlds devastate many worlds sruonddiOcrius system with the intent denying crucial biological resources to Hive Fleet Leviathan. Many are Ork-held planets, but quite a few are colonised by the Imperium.

p. 127, 6th edition 40K rulebook

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Krieg! What a hole...

Also, I doubt those worlds are already stripped, I though the proccess took almost year.

If I am right, then it means the 'nids have plenty of reserves, otherwise, they have a huge army.

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 Bobthehero wrote:
Also, I doubt those worlds are already stripped, I though the proccess took almost year.

If I am right, then it means the 'nids have plenty of reserves, otherwise, they have a huge army.


Read the quoted section from the Tyranid Codex. It took weeks to digest the Orks of Ghorala. The other subsequent worlds have also been digested. Past tense.

The evidence for a lot of the suppositions and what ifs people keep flinging around is actually already given by GW.
   
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willhman wrote:
BlaxicanX wrote:
 Eetion wrote:
No the warboss at ghorla was killed by lictors, and then started infighting due to the leviathan fleet been decimated, the small hidden nids acted cautiosly.
Orks won that battle not the nids.


>Ork warboss gets eaten alive by lictors.
>Ork chieftains start fighting among themselves.
> Tyranids eat all of the Orks on the planet and leave it a desolate, baren rock with no living life left on it.

In your mind, that's a victory for the Orks. LOL


4 worlds lost does not an Empire make.


Provide your fluff evidence that defines how many planets are within the Empire. Oh right, you have none. You're relying on a wiki for all your information... lol

Codex: Tyranids states that despite the combined efforts of the Imperium, Eldar, and Orks, it alone is thriving on the conflict. Orks are not stalemating the Tyranids, they're fighting for their lives, whereas the Tyranids are only getting stronger.

With reinforcements slowed down to a trickle by the blockade, it's only a matter of time until the Orks are wiped out.


First Lictors have to go through hella defences, and scans, not to mention squig hounds and kommandos. Lictors are hard to see but they have a scent that. Also They have to fight the warboss and if they do manage to kill him then there is a chance the dok can save him. To many things can go wrong. That tactic is fool proof, I mean the hasnt stopped yet or anything its just keep going. If the that tactic is as fool proof as you say why havent they won yet?

Also wtf is there a Eldar and Iom fleet??? Ok and when the new ork codex comes out there is gonna be a shift and the orks are gonna win point? Its the codex its supposed to make them seem unstoppable. Where does it says reinforcements are slowed down to a trickle???? If there is a blockade around the system then wouldnt that speed up the amount of reinforcments going to system? Really orks just want to fight a foe worth fighting. Orks wont fight orks if other foes are around in a short distance. Or else we wouldnt have waaaagghhhs.

Exterminatus wont work Im afraid. Too many planets. Plus how will they know when the war ends? When a huge wave of enemys come rushing at them. They cant receive any warp transmissions cause shadow of the warp. so no faster then light communications. Also They will have plenty of ships allover space. Who ever wins will be used to be attacking from space to tactics will be set up to automaticly deal with these enemies in space. Either or victor will be xenos Loser Iom.



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What are you talking about? As Ircandus pointed out above, this already happened in the fluff. The Lictors isolated the warboss, assassinated him, and the entire Ork army on the planet proceeded to tear itself apart, allowing the Nids to kill them all and eat the planet.

You might want to follow the conversation better in the future, and read up on your fluff, my friend.

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BlaxicanX wrote:
 Eetion wrote:
No the warboss at ghorla was killed by lictors, and then started infighting due to the leviathan fleet been decimated, the small hidden nids acted cautiosly.
Orks won that battle not the nids.


>Ork warboss gets eaten alive by lictors.
>Ork chieftains start fighting among themselves.
> Tyranids eat all of the Orks on the planet and leave it a desolate, baren rock with no living life left on it.

In your mind, that's a victory for the Orks. LOL


4 worlds lost does not an Empire make.


Provide your fluff evidence that defines how many planets are within the Empire. Oh right, you have none. You're relying on a wiki for all your information... lol

Codex: Tyranids states that despite the combined efforts of the Imperium, Eldar, and Orks, it alone is thriving on the conflict. Orks are not stalemating the Tyranids, they're fighting for their lives, whereas the Tyranids are only getting stronger.

With reinforcements slowed down to a trickle by the blockade, it's only a matter of time until the Orks are wiped out.


Well with the proving the size of the Empie, its stated to be nearly the size of ultramar, only a few worlds have been named. A certain degree and common sense is needed. Ultramar is at least 8 systems and I'm sure that in 'know no fear' there were refernces to the 100 worlds of Ultramar. To assume that 'nearly' the size of ultramar and only 4-5 worlds requires common sense applying to the expexted number of worlds and not dependent on a canon source where lacking one.

At Ghorla the entirety of the nid hive fleet was almost annhilated, with only 1 vessel making a mycetic spore landing. That fight was lost by the orks, rather than an overwhelming victory.

And every other source mentions how krypttsmans planb is escalating as whomever wins will be more dangerous because of it.

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 Eetion wrote:
Well with the proving the size of the Empie, its stated to be nearly the size of ultramar
The actual quote is that the Octarius sector is the size of Ultramar. That doesn't mean that all of the systems within it are packed with Orks. It means that they're the only faction with a functioning military to control the sector.

At Ghorla the entirety of the nid hive fleet was almost annhilated, with only 1 vessel making a mycetic spore landing. That fight was lost by the orks, rather than an overwhelming victory.
That an entire planet's worth of Orks couldn't destroy one single ship's worth of Tyranids reflects how moronic the Orks are, as well as how bad they are tactics. Not a good showing for them.

   
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Yeah. I know what you mean.
Single organisms infiltrating and destroying a command structure, of course only orks are susceptable to that kind of attack, and command functions havnt been crippled by lictors.
Its a good job genestealer cults can't achieve the same efefct and corrupt higher echelons of command on imperial worlds isn't it.

Lictors did what lictors do best, hunt and assasinate. Now I do believe the nids are a genuine threat and the orks lost that battle for themselves. But that's orks for ya.

Ork almost stopped the invasion in its tracks annhilating the nid hive ships. Something the imperium hasn't even come close to with their tendril.

Orks can and are holding their own, they win some and lose some. Reinforcements are flooding in on ships, as well as the spores, as well as slapping on the muscle.
This conflict will keep on escalating, and if octarius keeps on going the way its going you will end up with boys the size of nid warriors.
Gaunts just won't cut it as orks get bigger, in that sort of fight forcing the nids to go bigger and bigger expending more resources to do so, and so the pattern repeats.

Its too close to call, but when the space battle really starts and a hive ship goes down, or 2... Then the nid effort is severely compromised. Orks don't have that liability.

I'd wish this thing had a poll.

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Please read the "The Swarm Survives" and "Divide and Consume" entries in the Tyranid codex.
   
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I don't have it. Can you summarise.

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It's hard to say who will win here.

The Tyranids gain the upper hand for munching 4 out of 5 worlds of Octarius empire. Btu it seems that there is a stalemate on the last Ork world - Octarius. The Tyranids pile in new creatures and think out new strategies to defeat Orks but Orks are getting boyz from all over the sector. I don't know who will win because both sides are tough now, if Tyranids kill Ork Warboss they win adn if Orks drag this war for long enough they will win. Tyranids have Swarmlord on their side so they might have an edge agaisnt the Orks.

But as the title say: whoever win this war it will fight the nearby Imperial planets next. And with 3 quite famous Astartes Chapters and Eldar from Saim-Hann the resulting fight could be more entertaining than Octarius war.

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The battle for Ocatiarius isn't even a stalemate, the Tyranids are winning. In the March WD (I believe it was March) It had an article about how three full continents had fallen fully to the Tyranids, along with several warbosses being killed. The fact that the Attacking Force has gained such a massive foothold on the primary planet, is extremely significant.

Also, while we don't know how man planets constitute this system, we do know that every named planet in the system, besides Octarius, has been consumed by the Hive fleet.

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Yet in planetstrike octarius is described as a mountain world with a single mega continent.
Now assuming its a retcon, how many continents does it have? 4? 7? 12?
I'd expect the nids to make serious inroads, wouldn't be much of a fight otherwise if they couldn't.

Given that the fluff for octarius primarily comes from nid codex, and even through most of that is described as awaiting who will come out on top. Its not really surprising that only defeated worlds are mentioned.

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I'm still not sure why people are saying orks resources are infinite. While they reproduce Orks readily enough, the metals they use for their technology definitely isn't infinite. In fact, metals, on the scale things are made in 40k, would be far more finite than biomass.


You're the second person who has said that... No, just no. No, metal is way, way, way more abundant than 'biomass'. By a factor so large that the ratio just approaches 1 on the metal side. Iron is the most stable material produced by stars, in the UNIVERSE. Not amino acids. Look at Earth, what do we have more of, Iron or biomass? Iron by a huge factor. A planet that is geologically dead, like most in the galaxy, would have even more accessible iron. You need to get a refund from wherever you learned about universal composition.

Plus- the whole idea of biomass is a crock. Do you know how much energy is released by breaking the bonds of an organic molecule? Even one with a stupid-high energy density? Less than it took to form it, so no matter what, you are on the loosing side of the energy equation. Orks can use fusion/fission/blackmajik to produce energy discrepancies that the nids can't even begin to compete with. Plus, think about how big of an ork you would need to produce a nid warrior, which is about the same size. Because you loose energy when you break it down, and then loose much more energy when you reassemble it into whatever you want. All in situ. Ork reinforcements can come in-situ, but the bulk will come from off world. The science bones nids so hard that no amount of handwavvium can revive them.

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Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.

Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.

 
   
 
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