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Hi guys

I am gonna fight necrons with my brand new tyranid army, and I am looking for solutions. I have in mind to destroy the doom ark and/or monolith with a carnifex full CC equip, but I am pretty sure my opponent will have an Overlord full equip. I think to kill it with a winged hive tyrant, but I have some questions :

Can an overlord use is Resurection orb to repair himself : will he succeed on 4+ or 5+ ?
Is an overlord equiped with a Resurection orb immunized to Instant Death (not sure of the terms: p16 of the rule book, my native tong is French, still have to learn some piece of english

Thanks !

An overlord with an orb uses a 4+. He is not immune to instant death. Although RP is not negated by instant death so he will still have a chance to get up.

 meecham63 wrote:
Hi guys

I am gonna fight necrons with my brand new tyranid army, and I am looking for solutions. I have in mind to destroy the doom ark and/or monolith with a carnifex full CC equip, but I am pretty sure my opponent will have an Overlord full equip. I think to kill it with a winged hive tyrant, but I have some questions :

Can an overlord use is Resurection orb to repair himself : will he succeed on 4+ or 5+ ?
Is an overlord equiped with a Resurection orb immunized to Instant Death (not sure of the terms: p16 of the rule book, my native tong is French, still have to learn some piece of english

Thanks !

Yes, a Necron model equipped with the Res Orb will come back on a roll of 4+. Note that the Overlord has Everliving, which will allow the 'get back up' roll in almost all situations. You should read up on the Everliving rules so you know how to deal with them.

No, an Overlord equipped with a Res Orb is not immune to Instant Death. He'll just get a chance to get back up again.

-Yad

Though the overlord 'is' toughness 5 typically (unless it's a destroyer lord with toughness 6), so hopefully your flying tyrant has either strength 10 or the actual instant death rule on it's attacks if that is the angle you are going for.

To reiterate though: yes the overlord can use a resurrection orb on it's own ever-living rolls, which would be at a 4+ in that case and no, overlords do not have the 'Eternal Warrior' USR, but may still benefit from it's everliving roll even from attacks which cause instant death.

 Neorealist wrote:
Though the overlord 'is' toughness 5 typically (unless it's a destroyer lord with toughness 6), so hopefully your flying tyrant has either strength 10 or the actual instant death rule on it's attacks if that is the angle you are going for.

Pretty sure the only ID'ing can be cause from Boneswords in that case, as they're Str6 IIRC

Have in mind to use Smash sttacks, so my WHT would have S10 to cause ID

 meecham63 wrote:
Have in mind to use Smash sttacks, so my WHT would have S10 to cause ID

Assuming you can get him in a challenge, yea. Otherwise just use the norm. Either way, be careful of MSS

Or Smash Attack.

Yes, I hate those scarabs

He told me that he has weapons for HQ and RC that can make my Guys S1 T1 WS1 and BS1. Do you know what it is ?

Probably the Aeonstave, however, only Crypteks can take it. And it is not S/T/WS/BS.

Sounds like he may be over-estimating the effects of an Harbringer of Eternitys' (a type of cryptek) aeonstave; it's not an HQ allowed wargear, and the model that 'can' carry it is a push-over in close combat so i wouldn't worry about it much.

Fell that this would be best off in tactics.

best of luck with all the pre game attn though ^^

Indeed, wrong section, please read the stickies at the top of each section to ensure you are posting in the right spot until you get your sea-legs -

Cheers!

 meecham63 wrote:
I am gonna fight necrons with my brand new tyranid army, and I am looking for solutions.

I've met my mate's Necrons with my SoB a few times and managed to learn a few things.

If a Necron really wants to irritate assault units he'll have Crypteks with a sort of lightning staff assigned to the basic warrior squads - an assaulting unit will take d6 automatic hits at a pretty hefty strength. Could well mean your Hive Tyrant or Carnifex is wounded even before you get to hit the necrons. And they get Overwatch too. It's usually also best to keep the Overlord in a Warrior unit for the Orb to benefit them so you will inevitably get to test against Mindshackle Scarabs and maybe hit yourself. If not, the Overlord probably has a Warscythe which is nasty. A lone monster going for the Overlord's unit is often toast.

The thing that worked for me was to give up on any hope of actually killing anything while focusing on my objectives and denying him his. Keep scoring units camping your objectives no matter what. Pour as much fire as you can into one warrior unit at a time, starting with the one on the objective closest to you. They will slowly dwindle, and if the Overlord is with them your opponent will be torn between leaving for better markets or staying to boost them with the orb. Divert fire from those only if he brings in a threat close enough to reach one of your objectives. And always send outflankers etc to harry him on his half of the board so he can't advance before they're dealt with. Pay extra attention to when you get points for the objectives - some are at the end of the game but some are at the end of a turn. If it's the latter it always pays to get one of his objective keepers locked in close combat because then it doesn't get points that turn. And keep your eye out for First Blood, Slay the Warlord and Linebreaker if you can - remember to measure the Linebreaker so you're without a doubt entirely in the zone.

My finest match was score-per turn objectives and saw me sacrifice a Seraphim squad and two Immolator-mounted Dominion Squads just to kill a couple skimmers and keep his Overlord in his half of the field instead of coming forward. St Celestine assaulted one of his objective guards and even managed to get into CC once, dying to the lightning Cryptek's autohits twice - but she took a turn of scoring off them. All the while the two Sister squads on my objectives threw some Heavy Bolter shots at one warrior squad that was getting hammered by two Exorcists too. Ten warriors, lightning Cryptek and the Overlord with Orb. They took four rounds to get rid of, except the Overlord survived - but he can't score on his own. And let's not forget him Deepstriking his Monolith so unluckily that it mishapped and was destroyed... Forget wiping them out, unless you really start rolling like mad. Play your objectives and make him run around instead.

Thank you all for your advices guys !