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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 19:23:10
Subject: Re:One Man's Terrorist...
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Grey Templar wrote:Only if you were tricked into eating it. Voluntarily ordering something you know is bad would fall under Masochism 
I was tricked into thinking it was mexican food, not the culnary equivalent of Stalingrad. Terorr terror!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 21:46:55
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Think the definition between a freedom fighter and terrorist is blurred in today age.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 22:01:21
Subject: Re:One Man's Terrorist...
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d-usa wrote:The US hates terrorists, but we love to support revolutionaries and freedom fighters. It just depends on the question " do we support who they are fighting against".
Do Americans support the British people? Because quite a bit of funding for the IRA came from the US.
Matty talks sense. The IRA are terrorists and criminals. When it comes to Northern Ireland there's a lot of rubbish spoken, often by Americans who simply don't have much of an idea of what it was actually about. I guess some take it upon themselves to sympathise with the IRA against the evil jackboot of British tyranny as they see themselves as being a bit 'Oirish' because some distant relative might have migrated from there a long time ago. Well wearing a shamrock and getting pissed once a year doesn't make you Irish or any more informed about the political situation there, or what the bulk of people in Northern Ireland actually want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 23:04:38
Subject: One Man's Terrorist...
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Che's thoughts on Terrorism, when discussing the key differences between it and Sabotage, from his book on Guerrilla Warfare: "... Terrorism, a measure that is generally ineffective and indiscriminate in its results, since it often makes victims of innocent people and destroys many lives that would be valuable to the revolution." A Freedom Fighter uses sabotage to attack things of military or economic importance to their enemy and weaken the regime. A Terrorist uses force to kill and intimidate indiscriminately in the hopes of weakening the regime, though their actions often have the opposite effect in decreasing support for the terrorist organisation and giving the regime an excuse to increase their stranglehold on power which will be more readily accepted by the people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 23:23:19
Subject: One Man's Terrorist...
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The easy difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is the viewpoint of the winner. However, a less cynical interpretation of the two terms would be that the freedom fighter is someone militantly opposing a government, whereas the terrorist attacks the people being governed.
Just as an aside, if the government the freedom fighter is opposing is a direct, or even representational, democracy, does that not make the people the government? And ergo, legitimate targets as long as they are of voting age?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 23:31:45
Subject: One Man's Terrorist...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 23:38:50
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Howard A Treesong wrote: d-usa wrote:The US hates terrorists, but we love to support revolutionaries and freedom fighters. It just depends on the question " do we support who they are fighting against".
Do Americans support the British people? Because quite a bit of funding for the IRA came from the US.
Matty talks sense. The IRA are terrorists and criminals. When it comes to Northern Ireland there's a lot of rubbish spoken, often by Americans who simply don't have much of an idea of what it was actually about. I guess some take it upon themselves to sympathise with the IRA against the evil jackboot of British tyranny as they see themselves as being a bit 'Oirish' because some distant relative might have migrated from there a long time ago. Well wearing a shamrock and getting pissed once a year doesn't make you Irish or any more informed about the political situation there, or what the bulk of people in Northern Ireland actually want.
Depends on the IRA you're talking about. I'd say the Rising and the rebellion were justified, and fought relatively honorably. (Source: relatives who fought in it, my family didn't leave Ireland till the early 20th century) it's when you get to the Provos and the struggle to "free" Northern Ireland that things get murky/messy. Especially given that the North democratically voted to remain in the Empire, as I recall there was about a month after 21 or so that not a single inch of the island of Ireland was under British/ UK/Crown/Whateverthefethyouwannacallit control.
Who exactly the IRA is provides a similar mess. It can be the original rebels of 1916 or the War of Independence, or it can refer to the Provos/PIRA and their various offshoots till they lay down arms for a final time in the late... 90s IIRC, then the modern users of the name with the "Real IRA" and assorted. This is where it gets into the eye of the beholder and what have you. Having thought and looked into it at great length I'd say the original IRA are freedom fighters/rebels and the Provos are where the line really got crossed because the cause wasn't just (NI wanted no part of the Republic, etc) and the tactics weren't honorable, now you have the criminal scum calling themselves the IRA today which are probably more closely related to the cartels of South America then the rebels they take their name from.
Just .02 cents from a fethhead Irish-American who got more then a few talkings to on the subject from family and relatives. I full admit I could be wrong and biased as hell there. So take that as you will. Automatically Appended Next Post: A Town Called Malus wrote:Che's thoughts on Terrorism, when discussing the key differences between it and Sabotage, from his book on Guerrilla Warfare: "... Terrorism, a measure that is generally ineffective and indiscriminate in its results, since it often makes victims of innocent people and destroys many lives that would be valuable to the revolution."
A Freedom Fighter uses sabotage to attack things of military or economic importance to their enemy and weaken the regime. A Terrorist uses force to kill and intimidate indiscriminately in the hopes of weakening the regime, though their actions often have the opposite effect in decreasing support for the terrorist organization and giving the regime an excuse to increase their stranglehold on power which will be more readily accepted by the people.
Che wasn't the saint people make him out to be, but he wasn't dumb either. I think his writing makes an excellent point... especially since it reinforces my own line of thinking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 23:52:55
Subject: Re:One Man's Terrorist...
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Howard A Treesong wrote: d-usa wrote:The US hates terrorists, but we love to support revolutionaries and freedom fighters. It just depends on the question " do we support who they are fighting against".
Do Americans support the British people? Because quite a bit of funding for the IRA came from the US.
Think about the history of the United States, then ask again about our opinion regarding nations and people rising up against the throne
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 01:44:34
Subject: One Man's Terrorist...
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Just to chime in myself here: I think that the primary differences between terrorists and freedom fighters has been well discussed.
From the documentaries that I have seen on the IRA, I would say that at one point in time, they may have been freedom fighters, but I'm not sure when they crossed the line, but they definitely crossed the line into the realm of terrorists.
Another good example of Freedom Fighters would be the American's against the Brits in the War of Independence, as we primarily attacked military targets (notably, targeting officers with sharpshooters, which the British definitely didn't like). I'd through in Ghandi with the freedom fighters, even though he didn't fight. Or at least, not with violence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 01:56:30
Subject: Re:One Man's Terrorist...
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Howard A Treesong wrote: d-usa wrote:The US hates terrorists, but we love to support revolutionaries and freedom fighters. It just depends on the question " do we support who they are fighting against".
Do Americans support the British people? Because quite a bit of funding for the IRA came from the US.
Matty talks sense. The IRA are terrorists and criminals. When it comes to Northern Ireland there's a lot of rubbish spoken, often by Americans who simply don't have much of an idea of what it was actually about. I guess some take it upon themselves to sympathise with the IRA against the evil jackboot of British tyranny as they see themselves as being a bit 'Oirish' because some distant relative might have migrated from there a long time ago. Well wearing a shamrock and getting pissed once a year doesn't make you Irish or any more informed about the political situation there, or what the bulk of people in Northern Ireland actually want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 03:19:07
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I guess I'd draw the line at the whole civilians thing too. Making civilians your targets makes you a terrorist. Killing civilians incidentally - for example workers at a munitions plant, is a much greyer area.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 04:05:08
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Bromsy wrote:I guess I'd draw the line at the whole civilians thing too. Making civilians your targets makes you a terrorist. Killing civilians incidentally - for example workers at a munitions plant, is a much greyer area.
And of course there is always the option of bombing the plant when everyone's gone home for the night.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 04:13:08
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Doesn't matter if your a freedom fighter or a terrorist. Everyone falls under the Insurgent column. Makes it easier for us on the comms
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 04:13:35
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Grey Templar wrote: Bromsy wrote:I guess I'd draw the line at the whole civilians thing too. Making civilians your targets makes you a terrorist. Killing civilians incidentally - for example workers at a munitions plant, is a much greyer area.
And of course there is always the option of bombing the plant when everyone's gone home for the night.
Hopefully.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 04:32:01
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Munition plant...there be security....workers in the sotrage rooms....workers at the railhead...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 04:40:57
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Matty pretty much owned the thread.
I will say that I have a lot of sympathy for the cause of Irish independence and for their right to struggle against the brutalities they suffered for hundreds of years under English/British rule. But it doesn't justify murderous acts. Automatically Appended Next Post: Bromsy wrote: Grey Templar wrote: Bromsy wrote:I guess I'd draw the line at the whole civilians thing too. Making civilians your targets makes you a terrorist. Killing civilians incidentally - for example workers at a munitions plant, is a much greyer area.
And of course there is always the option of bombing the plant when everyone's gone home for the night.
Hopefully.
Gotta be careful about that. Even if you never kill anyone, plant a bomb or two and you'll likely be branded as a terrorist for the rest of your life by some. As in the case of William Ayers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 05:47:17
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Terrorism can't be defined just by what a person does.
I mean, if we go with the 'targetting civilians' line of argument, that means the UK in WWII were terrorists for targetting German cities in the belief that a high bodycount would collapse German morale. Now, whether or not you think that campaign was moral, calling it terrorism is a nonsense.
Similarly, if the Taliban were to suddenly stop killing people and just start blowing up government buildings when they knew no-one would be in there... they'd still be terrorist donkey-caves because their cause is to enforce horrible religious beliefs over a people that do not want it.
So obviously how justifiable their cause is matters a lot. But it isn't the only issue... take the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka as a case example. Their cause for independance was justified, as the Tamils were an oppressed minority. But the way they went about the war was simply appalling (they invented the suicide bomber, and were famous for machine gun attacks on crowded areas like train stations). While their cause was justified, it simply wasn't worth the killing they inflicted (the issue is then more complicated, because the Sri Lankan government response was just as brutal).
Then there's also the issue of how likely they are to achieve their goals. Groups like The Weather Underground had some sympathetic ambitions, like ending involvement in the Vietnam War, and were non-violent (for the most part). But there was no way their cause was going to produce their result, meaning that ultimately they were basically just dickheads blowing up buildings for no possible result... and that made them terrorist donkey-caves. On the other hand, Mandela's armed ANC wing, the MK, blew up government buildings in much the same way as the Weather Underground, and also had a sympathetic cause. But their cause had a real chance of achieving lasting change, and so can't be seen in the same light as the Weather Underground.
So it's a combination of all those things. This means, of course, that the answer ultimately is very subjective, and I suspect that's what people don't like to consider.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 12:07:18
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sebster wrote:Terrorism can't be defined just by what a person does.
I mean, if we go with the 'targetting civilians' line of argument, that means the UK in WWII were terrorists for targetting German cities in the belief that a high bodycount would collapse German morale. Now, whether or not you think that campaign was moral, calling it terrorism is a nonsense.
Similarly, if the Taliban were to suddenly stop killing people and just start blowing up government buildings when they knew no-one would be in there... they'd still be terrorist donkey-caves because their cause is to enforce horrible religious beliefs over a people that do not want it.
So obviously how justifiable their cause is matters a lot. But it isn't the only issue... take the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka as a case example. Their cause for independance was justified, as the Tamils were an oppressed minority. But the way they went about the war was simply appalling (they invented the suicide bomber, and were famous for machine gun attacks on crowded areas like train stations). While their cause was justified, it simply wasn't worth the killing they inflicted (the issue is then more complicated, because the Sri Lankan government response was just as brutal).
Then there's also the issue of how likely they are to achieve their goals. Groups like The Weather Underground had some sympathetic ambitions, like ending involvement in the Vietnam War, and were non-violent (for the most part). But there was no way their cause was going to produce their result, meaning that ultimately they were basically just dickheads blowing up buildings for no possible result... and that made them terrorist donkey-caves. On the other hand, Mandela's armed ANC wing, the MK, blew up government buildings in much the same way as the Weather Underground, and also had a sympathetic cause. But their cause had a real chance of achieving lasting change, and so can't be seen in the same light as the Weather Underground.
So it's a combination of all those things. This means, of course, that the answer ultimately is very subjective, and I suspect that's what people don't like to consider.
Jus ad Bellum, Jus in Bello, Just post Bellum.
Most 'terrorist' organizations pretty much automatically fail two of the above.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 12:27:15
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Judging from a tv show i watched on torture in US (or us affiliated ) facilities i discovered...
One mans terrorist.... is another mans death metal listener.
Being forced to listen to death metal would truly inspire one to the adrenalin pumping heights of terror, therefore Us facilities using these techniques are terrorist bases.
On a serious note I think most of you are trying to split two hairs on a bald mans head. Trying to define a distinction between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is purely perspective based.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 12:31:10
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Bullockist wrote:On a serious note I think most of you are trying to split two hairs on a bald mans head. Trying to define a distinction between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is purely perspective based.
I think he speaks the truth. And very colorfully
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 12:51:30
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mattyrm wrote: I have as always, drawn a firm line in the sand and decided that if anyone uses violence then they are in the wrong.
So I don't differentiate between the two, pretty much ever.
If you feel an enormous injustice has been done, then never ever shut the feth up about it. Protest, demonstrate, make signs, write letters, make a website, start a group.
The instant you start blowing gak up, I lose all sympathy I might once have had.
Muslims might have had a point to make, certainly I used to think so regards Israel and Palestine, but after 11 years of gak, my sympathy has vanished like morning mist in the sunshine, and I'm stuck firmly in loathing land.
Now I dont care what the feths have to say, they wave their placards at me and I grin, nothing the write or photograph even grabs my attention and I'm on permanent ignore. If you partake in acts of violence against innocents, I don't care what the cause is.
I know the US has plenty of ill-informed plastic Paddies like Ted Kennedy that like to wax lyrical on the subject of the IRA despite the fact that their words prove the enormity of their ignorance on the subject, and my loathing for them too is absolute.
I feel very strongly about keeping our Monarch for example, but I wouldn't blow up Republics HQ or smash a pint glass in the face of an ardent Republican. If you feel strongly about something, kick and scream as much as you like.. but don't ever cross a line.
I dont blow smoke up peoples arses often, and Martin Luther King had many flaws like all of us, he was a womaniser and a liar, but he never advocated violence and was a man of conviction, so he should be praised.
If Bin Laden, despite everything, rallied his supporters and kicked up a fuss and lobbied and marched but never used violence, then he would also be worthy of praise, but as it stands he is lower than a snakes belly and I am saddened that there is unlikely to be a hell for him to roast in, whilst being penetrated with a spiky Dildo and being forced to listen to Michael Buble records on loop.
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In the IRA's case they were trying to overthrow a democracy supported by the majority of the people in the territory concerned. Northern Ireland is 70% loyalist. Thats terrorism not freedom fighting.
Its freedom fighting only if you are an oppressed majority and questionable even if you have a heavily oppressed minority. Untennable in other cases.
This is why I consider the September 11th attacks in retrospect at least partly beneficial It taught Americans what terrorism was really like and cut through decades of Irish American bullcrap about some heroic causes and noble ideals that never were. Support for the IRA dropped overnight and never recovered.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 13:38:09
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Exactly my point.
If you are in the minority, and there is a democratic vote and you lose, so you then start blowing gak up, you are a mother fether no matter how you slice it.
If all of Northern Ireland wanted to be part of Ireland, then they could happily be, I dont give even half a gak. The reason I give a gak is because if you truly value democracy, then nobody has any place to tell them they have to unite Ireland. The fethers that live there are not inetrested.
Same goes for the fething Argies, why do you think I hate that slut Kirchner so much?
99% of the inhabitants of the Falklands want to remain British, ergo there is no discussion required, and anyone with any integrity should support them, be they Argentinian or otherwise.
Politics, i've gak it! If I was a fething Frenchie or an Argentinian and I read about the Falklands situation I would STILL be fething outraged! Not letting them have any eggs because they want to remain tied to the UK?!
Its fething infantile is what it is! Why aren't the rest of the world annoyed about it? Are we really that fethed up we only care if cash is involved?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 16:33:28
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We have to do the looking after with regards to the Falklands.
Fernandez uses the islands as a distraction from the total feth up her countries economy is.
Some want her to win because they will hope then to get oil contracts. Unlike the UK which has some international clout still Argentina has very little. Whoever takes the oil contracts will rip off Buenos Aires and there will be nothing they can do about it.
Getting the contracts of our hands is more difficult. This is why we aret getting the deserved support.
We need to up the population to about 50K then it will be taken more seriously, though the referendum will help.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 17:09:08
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Orlanth wrote:
We need to up the population to about 50K then it will be taken more seriously, though the referendum will help.
Considering its current population is around 3,000 I don't see it reaching 50,000 any time soon, especially when there is very little incentive for young people to stay there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 17:10:56
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Pay them to be like rabbits.....  In fact I'm sure there be a few volunteers on Dakka that would go down and "help" to raise the pop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 17:18:00
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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A Town Called Malus wrote:Che's thoughts on Terrorism, when discussing the key differences between it and Sabotage, from his book on Guerrilla Warfare: "... Terrorism, a measure that is generally ineffective and indiscriminate in its results, since it often makes victims of innocent people and destroys many lives that would be valuable to the revolution."
A Freedom Fighter uses sabotage to attack things of military or economic importance to their enemy and weaken the regime. A Terrorist uses force to kill and intimidate indiscriminately in the hopes of weakening the regime, though their actions often have the opposite effect in decreasing support for the terrorist organisation and giving the regime an excuse to increase their stranglehold on power which will be more readily accepted by the people.
As much as I hate Che (mostly because he's become a hipster icon), that's a pretty good definition. Though I wonder what he would say about 9/11.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 17:20:54
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Jihadin wrote:Pay them to be like rabbits.....  In fact I'm sure there be a few volunteers on Dakka that would go down and "help" to raise the pop. Then there's the downside that there wouldn't be any jobs, or even enough schools for all these kiddies Also I'd be impressed if a couple of members from Dakka could raise the population by over ten times its current size Automatically Appended Next Post: dogma wrote: As much as I hate Che (mostly because he's become a hipster icon), that's a pretty good definition. Though I wonder what he would say about 9/11. That's a good question. He'd have probably (in my opinion) condemned the attacks but suggested that the US government carried them out itself in order to gain justification for the invasion of Iraq and the spread of "Yankee Imperialism". That way he can condone the murder of the innocent people in the towers whilst still attacking the US government.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 17:26:47
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Orlanth wrote:
Some want her to win because they will hope then to get oil contracts. Unlike the UK which has some international clout still Argentina has very little. Whoever takes the oil contracts will rip off Buenos Aires and there will be nothing they can do about it.
Argentina is still a net exporter. If they were to invite, say, US (or more likely Brazilian) oil companies to do a bit of exploration they will be for some time.
So, yeah, who is going to rip off Buenos Aires?
Orlanth wrote:
We need to up the population to about 50K then it will be taken more seriously, though the referendum will help.
Where are you going to find ~47k people willing to live on a rock under constant threat of war?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 17:28:30
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They could move ~47,000 troops there to a permanate military base
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 17:29:54
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This is the UK. I don't know whether we even have 47,000 active soldiers any more with all the cuts our government is making
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
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