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So it says that flying monstrous creatures may change its flight mode during "its move". Does that mean i can change its flight mode when it runs, makes a consolidation after or during assault, or a pavane of slaanesh which my opponent could change it if he/she wishes.

You choose at the start of its move, and it lasts until the start of its next turn.

A run is not its move. It moves in the movement phase.

FMC rules state very clearly that you must choose Swoop or Glide at the start of the move. And that's what you have for the whole move and until the start of the model's next move, unless he's Grounded before then.

why is a run not a move and when it says its move it encompasses everything about a "move" not just in the movement phase

Read it again.

 forchoas wrote:
So it says that flying monstrous creatures may change its flight mode during "its move". Does that mean i can change its flight mode when it runs, makes a consolidation after or during assault, or a pavane of slaanesh which my opponent could change it if he/she wishes.

"at the start of its move, this lasts until the start of its next turn."
49 BGB

So just to be sure, Pavane of slaanesh can't change the movement of a fmc from swoop to glide? Just want to be sure on that as i had heard that this may be the case.

Unless he's grounded of course, I understand that as a shooting attack pavane causes a grounding check provided the FMC is still swooping at the end of the attacks resolution.

thanatos67 wrote:
So just to be sure, Pavane of slaanesh can't change the movement of a fmc from swoop to glide? Just want to be sure on that as i had heard that this may be the case.

considering after you start your first movement you're locked in. No Pavane cannot change.

Only thing that can change is getting knocked out of the sky ^^

that still says nothing about the movement phase its move doesnt mean the movement phase

thanatos67 wrote:
So just to be sure, Pavane of slaanesh can't change the movement of a fmc from swoop to glide? Just want to be sure on that as i had heard that this may be the case.

Yes, it can, as Pavane is treated as a normal movement phase move. So it starts by choosing a flight mode, as every movement phase move must for a FMC.

 forchoas wrote:
that still says nothing about the movement phase its move doesnt mean the movement phase

that's cute, however the movement phase happens first. You declare swooping or gliding. Even if you don't move it, it had a "move" that you neglected to use. So therefore whichever you choose it is locked in til the next turn.

Unless you choose swooping, and it's shot down to be gliding.


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 Mannahnin wrote:

thanatos67 wrote:
So just to be sure, Pavane of slaanesh can't change the movement of a fmc from swoop to glide? Just want to be sure on that as i had heard that this may be the case.

Yes, it can, as Pavane is treated as a normal movement phase move. So it starts by choosing a flight mode, as every movement phase move must for a FMC.

By the rules if I choose swooping, I'm swooping until the start of it's next turn.

Running is not Moving.. running is running. And running has special rules for FMCs as well.

 Mannahnin wrote:

thanatos67 wrote:
So just to be sure, Pavane of slaanesh can't change the movement of a fmc from swoop to glide? Just want to be sure on that as i had heard that this may be the case.

Yes, it can, as Pavane is treated as a normal movement phase move. So it starts by choosing a flight mode, as every movement phase move must for a FMC.

I'm curious as to where Pavane gets permission to override the "lasts until the start of its next turn" part of choosing a flight mode.

Fragile wrote:
Running is not Moving.. running is running. And running has special rules for FMCs as well.

where does it say running is not a move


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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 forchoas wrote:
that still says nothing about the movement phase its move doesnt mean the movement phase

that's cute, however the movement phase happens first. You declare swooping or gliding. Even if you don't move it, it had a "move" that you neglected to use. So therefore whichever you choose it is locked in til the next turn.

Unless you choose swooping, and it's shot down to be gliding.


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 Mannahnin wrote:

thanatos67 wrote:
So just to be sure, Pavane of slaanesh can't change the movement of a fmc from swoop to glide? Just want to be sure on that as i had heard that this may be the case.

Yes, it can, as Pavane is treated as a normal movement phase move. So it starts by choosing a flight mode, as every movement phase move must for a FMC.

By the rules if I choose swooping, I'm swooping until the start of it's next turn.

why am i cute?

 Mannahnin wrote:

thanatos67 wrote:
So just to be sure, Pavane of slaanesh can't change the movement of a fmc from swoop to glide? Just want to be sure on that as i had heard that this may be the case.

Yes, it can, as Pavane is treated as a normal movement phase move. So it starts by choosing a flight mode, as every movement phase move must for a FMC.

So its a move that is a D6 and happens in the shooting phase, sounds alot like running to me. If you can pavane a FMC out of the air why cant it change to swooping during a run move, the model is, in fact, moving...right? Also does it actually say explicitly in the pavane rules that this is a new movement phase for the model(s) affected?

It's certainly not a run. Pavane is explicit that it's treated like a normal movement phase move, with the exceptions of ignoring difficult and the rolled distance limitation.

 Mannahnin wrote:
It's certainly not a run. Pavane is explicit that it's treated like a normal movement phase move, with the exceptions of ignoring difficult and the rolled distance limitation.

However it doesnt break the limitation on gliding/swooping that roughly locks you in til the next turn

I dont think Pavane qualifies as "At the start of its move, " It just follows the rules for a normal move... and explains it in the next sentence.

so what about a pile in move which is a 3inch move

Actually a consolidation would be a better example. Being able to assault after Gliding, kill something, then switch to swooping with the consolidation move...

Its just wrong on so many levels.

 Mannahnin wrote:
It's certainly not a run. Pavane is explicit that it's treated like a normal movement phase move, with the exceptions of ignoring difficult and the rolled distance limitation.

By that logic, you would be able to change Flight mode when assaulting, as the charge move is treated like a normal movement phase move with the exception of moving within 1" of enemy models and the distance.

Not at all. None of those other moves are treated like a new movement phase move. Lash and Pavane are (were, in the case of Lash).

So you wouldnt have to take a grounding check at that point right? I mean grounding is done by swooping FMCs at the end of a shooting attacks resolution, and since at the start of the pavanes resolution you made the MC gliding it wont be swooping by the time we would check if its grounded, right?

Also

Still dont get how moving a model from a run or a consolidation isnt 'moving'...are you saying I dont have to follow the normal rules for movement during these (not) moves? IE I can move through enemy/friendly models etc?

Nothing in the rule states new movement phase move, or anything similiar. Your closest example is a consolidation move, not slowed by DT, trigger Dangerous...etc.

where does it say it has to be in the movement phase move all it says at the beginning of its move the beginning of its move could be in the last phase of the turn

 forchoas wrote:
where does it say it has to be in the movement phase move all it says at the beginning of its move the beginning of its move could be in the last phase of the turn

Not really. movement phase happens first, whether you move the model or not you have to declare which mode. It's locked in such mode til the beginning of your next turn.

Pavane: This movement follows the same rule as a normal move, except that it is not slowed by difficult terrain.
Charge: following the same rules as in the Movement phase, with the exception that they can be be moved within 1" of enemy models.

So please explain why the normal move can change Flight type, but Movement phase rules do not.

where does it say i have to choose my mode in my movement it says at the start of its move and in the movement page of the rule book it states that i dont have to move my models

Happyjew wrote:
Pavane: This movement follows the same rule as a normal move, except that it is not slowed by difficult terrain.
Charge: following the same rules as in the Movement phase, with the exception that they can be be moved within 1" of enemy models.

So please explain why the normal move can change Flight type, but Movement phase rules do not.

Pg 49 FMC; Changing Flight Mode last sentence : "until the start of its next turn"


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 forchoas wrote:
where does it say i have to choose my mode in my movement it says at the start of its move and in the movement page of the rule book it states that i dont have to move my models

If you didn't move it, than you chose to move it 0" during its move.