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Hello everyone
I'm wondering what army to start

The only army I can cross of is chaos demons
So any suggestions would be helpful


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Oh and if you need me to answer any questions go ahead and ask

If you're new... Space Marines.

You would probably be best to look at GW website and see what you like the look off and ask questions.

If yo can work out what you like the look off, I sure someone can help you about each army

I agree with Apple fox, it's best that you narrow down the range rather than just ask anyone to tell you what to do, because without a doubt, DeffDred is correct, space marines is the perfect beginner army, they can do everything, and you won't have to fight an uphill battle as a newbie, as you would if you were to play some xenos armies out there. But there is nothing stopping you from going non-marines army, my first army is DE, one of the harder codex to play for a newbie... So, check GW site, see what you like, look, fluff, playstyle, whatever... Then let us know which few caught your eyes.

Well looking into it a little
Dark eldar
Eldar
IG s cadians
Space marines
Space wolves
Tau
And tyranids

I know not a lot of a narrow down but they look kinds cool
Btw what battle forces are good for a beginner out of those

You should start by looking at aesthetics.

Look at the army, and decide what kind of minis you like. You will likely be spending a lot of time painting them, and you're going to have to look at them every time they play. If you think that ork models look silly, then don't play orks, or if you like anime, then perhaps a tau army is for you.

Read some fluff about the armies you like the miniatures of. The rulebook gives a bit, but I'd go to a local game store and just sit down and read the front part of every codex. If you explain to any store worker who might complain that you're researching starting a new 40k army, they'll shut up immediately.

The background to the different armies can be very, very different, from the ultra-elite loyalist demon army of grey knights to the green, scottish hooligans in space of the orks. Some of the dry british humor and general grimdark has a lot of flavor to it. Find something you can really get your imagination behind.

Thirdly, once you've done this, consider play styles. Do you want an army of heroes that beats face and dies epically? Do you want an army of all vehicles trundling across the plain? Do you just want something that gets in there and rips your opponent's stuff in half with their bare hands and chainsaw swords? Many different codices can do many different styles, but if there's something in specific you want, that might help narrow things down for you.

Once you get to this point, you'll probably be down to just a few armies to pick from. Once here, you should look at some examples of lists that people bring, and see if there are some commonly-used units that look exciting to you.

At some point, though, you're just going to have to take the plunge.

Once you do, the first thing to do is get the codex (and the rulebook if you don't have one), and spend a lot of time getting very familiar with the rules. Buy a box or two of your basic infantry along with any other hobby stuff you're currently lacking and start getting a feel for assembling, converting, and painting the miniatures (including getting a color scheme you like). Once you have a basic two troops and HQ, along with an understanding of the rules, you might perhaps want to play a few trainer games at a local store or gaming group. It shouldn't be too hard to find someone to show you the ropes.

From there, it really depends. You'll want to expand your army in different ways, given different tastes and different experiences. Perhaps you'll find some second hand models from friends or the internet, or you'll start getting into bitz ordering and scratchbuilding. You might fully explore the entirety of what your codex has to offer, or start a second army when you feel you're done with the first one. Where you go from there is up to you.

Looking a bit more
Space wolves
Tyranids
Are basically out

Besides that I want an army that I can have a huge amount of variety

IG would be a good choice then.... most variety of units in the game (iirc) but it is more expensive so watch out

I mean more units and surprises and no set strategy

no army will have any surprises for a person that knows what theyre doing and no army is without their own specific strategy so good luck with that, by more units you mean more infantry units to play with at one time or more diff types of units? If more infantry units per game you wanna go with orks or IG as you ruled out tyranids

More choices without forgeworld
Sounds good

your best bet would be to get the 40k starter set Dark Vengeance as it gives you two armies of 1k points each there or thereabouts and both those armies can be expanded very quickly and easily and allow for a great deal of flexibility within your force but they are set to looking a set way unless you convert some of the models in the set.

No thanks dark vengeance has two unwanted armies
I'm on a budget (no exact number) and can't use that set

 Guardsman76 wrote:
your best bet would be to get the 40k starter set Dark Vengeance as it gives you two armies of 1k points each there or thereabouts and both those armies can be expanded very quickly and easily and allow for a great deal of flexibility within your force but they are set to looking a set way unless you convert some of the models in the set.

I agree. There is a lot of good in the Dark Vengeance Starter set. Including a rule book, as well as both Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines to play.

I would warn you way from Eldar and Dark Eldar, as their play style isn't very forgiving of mistakes, the way space marine chapters are. Tau and IG are "gun line" armies, where you stand back and shoot at whatever comes near you.

Space marines are now out due to no favorable hq or elite

dude seriously if your going to get rid of things because of no favorable hq or elite choices well your gonna give yourself very little choice and very little flexibility you need to give things a chance and experiment with new things.

For tau and ig do they have any good close combat

Dark eldar has quite a variety of units, can do shooting and assault, fast mobile and fragile army, but not friendly on newbie(I managed ok though! ) nor budget. And no matter how far you try to stray from the norm, you'd still be fielding 1 transport per infantry choice. Their battleforce is a good deal, but you'd still need to get quite a few extra boxes to make a decent force... So yeah, DE is a bit expensive to play...

What don't you like about space wolves? They're basically better space marines(sorry, vanilla marines!).

tau close combat = death (for tau that is)
IG close combat generally= death (unless facing tau or using ogryns)

Ralis wrote:

 Guardsman76 wrote:
your best bet would be to get the 40k starter set Dark Vengeance as it gives you two armies of 1k points each there or thereabouts and both those armies can be expanded very quickly and easily and allow for a great deal of flexibility within your force but they are set to looking a set way unless you convert some of the models in the set.

I agree. There is a lot of good in the Dark Vengeance Starter set. Including a rule book, as well as both Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines to play.

I would warn you way from Eldar and Dark Eldar, as their play style isn't very forgiving of mistakes, the way space marine chapters are. Tau and IG are "gun line" armies, where you stand back and shoot at whatever comes near you.

Though i would agree with you on Eldar and DE being hard to play and tau being mainly gunline i will have to disagree with you on the IG being gun line as you seem to have overlooked both the Mech vet, Outflank, and Blob lists for IG which are still all main lists for IG (though we are still trying to figure out the blob list in 6th Ed) I will also have to agree with Guardsman 76 that IG or tau in close combat = fail

What would be helpful against dark angels and chaos demons

Well you have to tell us what units you are expecting fromm them as all things have different counters. for example Flamers help counter CC units

Dark vengeance is part

Chaos khrone and slaneesh

Well if you are talking about countering the chaos stuff from Dark vengence i would use Plasma guns (to crack the marines) and meltas to kill the dreadnaught thing (whatever they call it now) basic Heavy bolters or lasguns can get rid of those cultists and slannesh units (this is from an IG perspective mind you)

No dark angels from vengeance
Chaos demons is khrone
No crimson slaughter

.... Didnt Dark vengance come with chaos marines?

Yea but no one is playing the marines

well most (from what ive seen) deamon stuff mainly just has an invuln save so just blast away with enough guns and Ur good of course high strength weapons like meltas good against MC's

So eldar?

as you are a beginning wargamer Eldar (even the evil ones) are a bad choice... as ive told you it seems through what youve been saying that either IG or Orks, even tau mabye are a good choice 4 u