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Hay peps not sure if i'm being TFG but the wolf priest (as per the GW FAQ) gives preferred enemy to himself and any unit from the Space wolves codex, however in the rule book for preferred enemy it say if a unit contains at lest one model with this rule then........ (P40)

My question is dose the Wolf priest not give it to him self then is he is in an ailed unit it has the "at lest one model"?

If the wolf priest joins the unit, he is part of that unit for all rules purposes. PG 39 bottom left of the IC box

Sorry its not can he join an allied unit its do they get preferred enemy?

What he's saying is that if the unit has it, he does as well since he counts as part of the unit when joined to it. And since he gives it to the unit, he gives it to himself as well.

Mark kelly wrote:
Sorry its not can he join an allied unit its do they get preferred enemy?

I'm aware that was your answer.

The wolf priest counts as a member of the squad for all rules purposes.

Does a member of the squad have it? Is he part of the squad?
Yes and yes because the WP counts as a member of the squad for all rules purposes.

Cool thanks so just odd wording in the FAQ

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Mark kelly wrote:
Sorry its not can he join an allied unit its do they get preferred enemy?

I'm aware that was your answer.

The wolf priest counts as a member of the squad for all rules purposes.

Does a member of the squad have it? Is he part of the squad?
Yes and yes because the WP counts as a member of the squad for all rules purposes.

Despite the FAQ saying that only units from Codex: Space Wolves that he joins gain the rule?

He never loses the rule, though, and PE is a conferred USR

 grendel083 wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Mark kelly wrote:
Sorry its not can he join an allied unit its do they get preferred enemy?

I'm aware that was your answer.

The wolf priest counts as a member of the squad for all rules purposes.

Does a member of the squad have it? Is he part of the squad?
Yes and yes because the WP counts as a member of the squad for all rules purposes.

Despite the FAQ saying that only units from Codex: Space Wolves that he joins gain the rule?

You mean the Faq so you can't have a wolf priest leading a Guard Blob with PE.

From this debate I believe he can lead a unit guard an as he has the rule he passes it on to the unit

You need to bear something in mind here - the Wolf Priest DOES NOT give any unit Preferred Enemy.
He gives them his own special rule - I forget the name, let's call it ExampleRuleGoesHere - that *THEN* gives the unit Preferred Enemy.

So, you check to see if his unit is Space Wolves.
Yes? Then they benefit from ERGH, and as a result benefit from Preferred Enemy.
No? Then they don't benefit from ERGH, and the trail stops there.

Mark kelly wrote:
From this debate I believe he can lead a unit guard an as he has the rule he passes it on to the unit

Depends on the guard you mention. Wolf Guard or Imperial Guard ^^

Well any unit in the space wolf codex is a given i think. I am talking about imperial guard. the codex entry says "He and any squad he has joined" Now as per FAQ it reads "He and and unit from the codex space wolves" So no mater what I think the Wolf priest has the rule. for example if he was on his own would he have preferred enemy? I say yes. So now going back to the rule book page 40 a unit that contains at lest one model with this special rule .......I say the wolf priest dose have preferred enemy there for so do the imperial guard. also the guard should have counter attack and ATSKNF forthe same reason and wording. What do you think?

Mark kelly wrote:
Well any unit in the space wolf codex is a given i think. I am talking about imperial guard. the codex entry says "He and any squad he has joined" Now as per FAQ it reads "He and and unit from the codex space wolves" So no mater what I think the Wolf priest has the rule. for example if he was on his own would he have preferred enemy? I say yes. So now going back to the rule book page 40 a unit that contains at lest one model with this special rule .......I say the wolf priest dose have preferred enemy there for so do the imperial guard. also the guard should have counter attack and ATSKNF forthe same reason and wording. What do you think?

No as per the FAQ only units from Codex Space wolves get it.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Mark kelly wrote:
Well any unit in the space wolf codex is a given i think. I am talking about imperial guard. the codex entry says "He and any squad he has joined" Now as per FAQ it reads "He and and unit from the codex space wolves" So no mater what I think the Wolf priest has the rule. for example if he was on his own would he have preferred enemy? I say yes. So now going back to the rule book page 40 a unit that contains at lest one model with this special rule .......I say the wolf priest dose have preferred enemy there for so do the imperial guard. also the guard should have counter attack and ATSKNF forthe same reason and wording. What do you think?

No as per the FAQ only units from Codex Space wolves get it.

No, the Wolf Priest and any unit from Codex: Space Wolves he joins recieves PE. Since the Wolf Priest is given PE, any unit he joins, regardless of the army, will also recieve it. The word 'only' is never used, and PE in this case is not restricted solely to C: SW, it only specifies the initial recipients of it due to the WP's Oath of War. There is nothing in the FAQ barring the WP from joining a unit from another codex and passing it on, only restrictions rgearding its original application.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Mark kelly wrote:
Well any unit in the space wolf codex is a given i think. I am talking about imperial guard. the codex entry says "He and any squad he has joined" Now as per FAQ it reads "He and and unit from the codex space wolves" So no mater what I think the Wolf priest has the rule. for example if he was on his own would he have preferred enemy? I say yes. So now going back to the rule book page 40 a unit that contains at lest one model with this special rule .......I say the wolf priest dose have preferred enemy there for so do the imperial guard. also the guard should have counter attack and ATSKNF forthe same reason and wording. What do you think?

No as per the FAQ only units from Codex Space wolves get it.

No, the Wolf Priest and any unit from Codex: Space Wolves he joins recieves PE. Since the Wolf Priest is given PE, any unit he joins, regardless of the army, will also recieve it. The word 'only' is never used, and PE in this case is not restricted solely to C: SW, it only specifies the initial recipients of it due to the WP's Oath of War. There is nothing in the FAQ barring the WP from joining a unit from another codex and passing it on, only restrictions rgearding its original application.

Page 35 – Wolf Priest, Oath of War
Change the last sentence to: “He and any squad from Codex:
Space Wolves that he joins have the Preferred Enemy rule
against that unit type.”

Seems to me it only works with units from Codex:SW

Yes, the initial application of PE only works on the WP and SW units he joins, I already acknowledged that. What you are ignoring is the fact that the FAQ does not state that PE cannot be conferred onto units from other armies afterwards, due to the WP possessing the rule and passing it on as per the 6th edition rules.

Oath of War gives WP and any SW unit he joins PE
WP now has PE and joins a squad of BA assault marines
PE automatically confers to the assault marines as per the rules for it in the rulebook.

That is not disallowed by the FAQ.

But do you agree that on his own he has it?

If he joins a unit of Imperial guard will he still give it to himself?

then read P40 and "if one model"

How do you feel say counter attack work or stealth?

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Yes, the initial application of PE only works on the WP and SW units he joins, I already acknowledged that. What you are ignoring is the fact that the FAQ does not state that PE cannot be conferred onto units from other armies afterwards, due to the WP possessing the rule and passing it on as per the 6th edition rules.

Oath of War gives WP and any SW unit he joins PE
WP now has PE and joins a squad of BA assault marines
PE automatically confers to the assault marines as per the rules for it in the rulebook.

That is not disallowed by the FAQ.

The only reason this FAQ was made was so allies did not receive the benefit. It formerly read "He and any squad he joins"

Still feeling that they can't after reading and re-reading, if anything I feel this is a codex>BGB as it's an errata not a faq

There is a distinction between having and benefitting from it. The Wolf Priest joining a Guard Blob does not confer the rule on the blob. However, not every model in a unit NEEDS the rule for all of them to benefit. The Guard Blob with wolf priest is 'a unit containing at least one model with this special rule' and thus they all get rerolls.

In short, the ideas aren't in conflict. The guard blob doesn't need to have the rule to get the rerolls.

Guard *benefit* from PE, they do not *have* PE

The intent is clear - that a priest shouldnt let a non-SW unit have the benefits of PE. Doesnt actually fit with the 6E rules, however

So is it a "dick" move to play or would you be ok with it. my normal games are with torniment type lists?

Again, the Priest does not give any unitPreferred Enemy directly. He gives them Oath of War (thanks for clarifying the name).

Oath of War states that he and any Space Wolf unit he joins benefits from Preferred Enemy.
Oath of War is not a USR, so page 40 doesn't apply. It's only the errata that allows you to apply it to Space Wolves.

 Super Ready wrote:
Again, the Priest does not give any unitPreferred Enemy directly. He gives them Oath of War (thanks for clarifying the name).

No he doesn't, Oath of War is never passed to anyone; only the Wolf priest ever has it.

As for my posts previously talking about conferring the rule to others he joins, I had a pounding headache when writing those and only knew that squads containing at least one model with PE also benefit from it, and I was not in any sort of mood to clarify the meaning, especially since by looking at the PE rule itself what I meant should have been clear: that squads he joins benefit regardless of their codex.

 Super Ready wrote:
Again, the Priest does not give any unitPreferred Enemy directly. He gives them Oath of War (thanks for clarifying the name).

Oath of War states that he and any Space Wolf unit he joins benefits from Preferred Enemy.
Oath of War is not a USR, so page 40 doesn't apply. It's only the errata that allows you to apply it to Space Wolves.

This is how it is played.

Oath of War does not transfer to the unit the Wolf Priest joined. PE is dependent upon having Oath of War. Oath of War is codex SW only.

as per the FAQ

"He and any squad from Codex: Space Wolves that he joins have the Preferred Enemy rule"

how dose he not get the USR?

 Tyr Grimtooth wrote:
PE is dependent upon having Oath of War. Oath of War is codex SW only.

Yes.

A model with OoW has PE. Agreed?
A model with PE allows the *unit* to re-roll 1's. Agreed?

Now from a RAI standpoint, I feel that giving IG PE is going against what was intended strongly. So much in fact this will probably be re-faq'd or INAT'd so that it won't work in most tourney/GTs

This USR conferring to the whole unit is causing a lot of headaches for FAQs. In this case, via the FAQ, the wolf pries is the only one who gains PE. HOWEVER, PE states that only one model in the unit must have it in order for the whole unit to have it. Therefore the whole unit gains the effects of PE.


Really im not seeing why this is so OP. Just grab eldar allies and you can get re-rolls to hit with divination primaris, which is actually statistically better. It does have the nice ability to confer stealth to his squads with saga of the hunter but only one wolf priest can have that.

 Tyr Grimtooth wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
Again, the Priest does not give any unitPreferred Enemy directly. He gives them Oath of War (thanks for clarifying the name).

Oath of War states that he and any Space Wolf unit he joins benefits from Preferred Enemy.
Oath of War is not a USR, so page 40 doesn't apply. It's only the errata that allows you to apply it to Space Wolves.

This is how it is played.

Oath of War does not transfer to the unit the Wolf Priest joined. PE is dependent upon having Oath of War. Oath of War is codex SW only.

Oath of War gives the model PE
The actual rules for PE, given many times already in this thread, state that ONE MODEL in a unit having PE means THE ENTIRE UNIT benefits from PE

Now do you see your error?